Depper Soto signing in.

[hustleson]

Hello Sailors my name is Edwin Soto currently a Depper for The US Navy (duh) lol alittle humor wouldn't hurt but yeah i am 17 years of age and awaiting for RTC 20080716 and the rating of choice is (HM) Hospital Corpsman. I was really intrested in joining the Marines but as i was getting into joining Marine Recruiters were lying to me about questions i was curious to ask about the Navy.Don't like liars so I went to leave the office and passed by the Navy Office ended up learning about the Navy and before I know it im a depper with a good job.To be honest I really was never interested in any medical field but I'm a reservist and waiting to change over to active because I have to give up physical custody of my child before I go active which is a pain in the butt but still working on it. I didn't get such a good score on the ASVAB (39) but my recruiter spend 2 hours in MEPS trying to get a wavier to get my ASVAB score up.Then tells me I getting a rating of HM,I was disappointed but as time passed I asked him if I could do combat as a HM he said if i request to go FMF there is a good chance I will but he said he doesn't guarantee FTMB. They offered me to change my job before I head to RTC but I told them I want to keep it because I read on alot of forums including this one and I haven't heard a complaint about HM everyone respect them and I could learn something new in my life and ever since couple past months I can't wait to head to RTC :D..So yeah this is my little introduction sorry it was long but I like to be on these forums very useful information and good people on here to.

[8404]

You can qualify for HM with an ASVAB score of 39? I must be missing something.

Corpsman ASVAB Score Qualifier: (http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/navyjobs/navyjobs2/blasvabdefs.htm)
VE+MK+GS=146

The ASVAB Sub-Test Composites Used by the Navy are:
General Science (GS)
Arithmetic Reasoning (AR)
Word Knowledge (WK)
Paragraph Comprehension (PC)
Numerical Operations (NO)
Coding Speed (CS)
Auto and Shop Information (AS)
Mathematics Knowledge (MK)
Mechanical Comprehension (MC)
Electronics Information (EI)
Sum of Word Knowledge and Paragraph Comprehension (VE)
Assembly of Objects (AO)SOURCE: http://usmilitary.about.com/od/enlistedjob1/a/hm.htm

[hustleson]

Here are my ASVAB scores got it from my contract which i have on me right now

VE=47
MK=52
GS=50
which equals 149.

Which I am surprised by because I didn't get a chance to study I guess the Navy were rushing to get people in because after I walked in that office he scheduled my ASVAB test at MEPS like one week later didn't get any books to study for it but I'm a pretty bright kid.

[8404]

I didn't get such a good score on the ASVAB (39) but my recruiter spend 2 hours in MEPS trying to get a wavier to get my ASVAB score up.

Your recruiter must have worked pretty hard, in order for your ASVAB score to go from a 39 to a 149.

[hustleson]

yeah I had to sit a MEPS and tired like crazy but Im glad he did that for me. Now ima just have to work my a** off in RTC and A school. I can't wait i just have to graduate highschool and im off in July.Hopefully get in with FMF.

[8404]

Edwin Soto:

Your recruiter cannot change your ASVAB score! The ASVAB is an aptitude test that you take and it's scored based upon your results!

You first mention you did not score so well on the ASVAB and received a 39. Now you say your recruiter attempted a waiver of your score of 39 at MEPS and your final ASVAB score rose to a 149? Impossible!!!

Would you like to explain this a little further?

In the mean time, welcome aboard. There is a great deal of information on this site and hopefully you will learn quite a bit.

Following is the link for RTC at Great Lakes, Illinois:
http://www.nstc.navy.mil/rtcgl/

Following is the link for Field Medical Training Battalion - West at Camp Pendleton California: http://www.cpp.usmc.mil/schools/fmtb/index.asp

Following is all that is listed for Field Medical Training battalion - East: Camp Lejeune, North Carolina: http://www.lejeune.usmc.mil/mcb/units.asp

Field Medical Training Battalion (http://www.lejeune.usmc.mil/fmss/)
http://www.lejeune.usmc.mil/mcb/images/fmtblogo.gifField Medical Service School (FMSS) is located on Camp Johnson (Montford Point), Marine Corps Base, Camp Lejeune, N.C. , just off Lejeune Boulevard/Route 24, southwest of the main gate. The mission of FMSS is to train Navy Medical Department and Religious Ministry personnel in preparation for their initial assignment to ground, aviation, and combat service support units of the Fleet Marine Force (FMF). Although the largest numbers of personnel trained are Hospital Corpsmen, the school also trains Dental Technicians, Religious Program Specialists, Chaplains, and Medical Department officers including Medical Corps, Dental Corps, Medical Service Corps and Nurse Corps.

[The Giver]

Hello, my name is Joel Bethelmy and I'm also currently in Dep shipping 20080206. I had a similar situation as Edwin Soto. I took the ASVAB and also scored around the same score and was offered the rate of HM. I sat waiting in MEPS for hours and then I was told that I could not go active but I could go reserve as a Corpsman. I was very confused and wasn't sure why I was offered such a superior position but I accepted it because I really want to be in the Navy. Currently I have a BA in History and a Masters in Special Education. (Why didn't I go to OCS???...long story) Well back to my story...I was told I was in the NAT program (New Accession Training) and I will hangout in DEP until I leave. I'm not really sure what the Navy is up to but after reading Edwin's story Im getting a nervous feeling in my stomach (or maybe I'm hungry) either way Im curious to know why the Navy is assigning this position to people who score low. In the mean time I plan to put forth my best effort and continue the noble traditions of HM's.

[DeeDee]

Frankly, I'm a little curious and concerned - If these guys scored low on the ASVAB but somehow the recruiters and the folks at MEPS that put together their contracts managed to FUDGE the system and get them into jobs that their scores didn't qualify them for what will happen to them when then get to RTC or Corps School and this information comes to light. Will they then get reassigned to jobs that their ASVAB scores qualify them for - are the recruiters and MEPS just putting people in the HM slots to fill them and meet quota???
Time to start asking some SERIOUS questions of the recruiters.
Just my opinion - but if I were either of these guys I would start reading my contract VERY carefully.

[8404]

Agreed DeeDee;

Soto and Bethelmy, if whatever you were promised is NOT on your contract, it simply does NOT exist.

Like I said, if either of you would like to PM me your recruiters phone number, I sure would like to follow up on this. I won't mention names, but something is not correct here. Nobody qualifies as an HM, with an ASVAB score of 39!

Unless, the recruiter "who worked so hard at MEPS", took the ASVAB for the prospective DEPPER! If this was the case, it will soon come to light once the new sailor reports to Corps school.

hmmmmm sounds like potential fraudulent enlistment! There is a reason for that nervous feeling in your stomach. Ask to speak to the Chief in charge of that office or district as soon as possible.

Read on:

[8404]

Punitive Articles of the UCMJ

Article 83—Fraudulent enlistment, appointment, or separation

Text.
“Any person who—
(1) procures his own enlistment or appointment in the armed forces by knowingly false representation or deliberate concealment as to his qualifications for that enlistment or appointment and receives pay or allowances thereunder; or
(2) procures his own separation from the armed forces by knowingly false representation or deliberate concealment as to his eligibility for that separation;
shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.”
Elements.
(1) Fraudulent enlistment or appointment.
(a) That the accused was enlisted or appointed in an armed force;
(b) That the accused knowingly misrepresented or deliberately concealed a certain material fact or facts regarding qualifications of the accused for enlistment or appointment;
(c) That the accused’s enlistment or appointment was obtained or procured by that knowingly false representation or deliberate concealment; and
(d) That under this enlistment or appointment that accused received pay or allowances or both.(2) Fraudulent separation.
(a) That the accused was separated from an armed force;
(b) That the accused knowingly misrepresented or deliberately concealed a certain material fact or facts about the accused’s eligibility for separation; and
(c) That the accused’s separation was obtained or procured by that knowingly false representation or deliberate concealment.Explanation.
(1) In general. A fraudulent enlistment, appointment, or separation is one procured by either a knowingly false representation as to any of the qualifications prescribed by law, regulation, or orders for the specific enlistment, appointment, or separation, or a deliberate concealment as to any of those disqualifications. Matters that may be material to an enlistment, appointment, or separation include any information used by the recruiting, appointing, or separating officer in reaching a decision as to enlistment, appointment, or separation in any particular case, and any information that normally would have been so considered had it been provided to that officer.
(2) Receipt of pay or allowances. A member of the armed forces who enlists or accepts an appointment without being regularly separated from a prior enlistment or appointment should be charged under Article 83 only if that member has received pay or allowances under the fraudulent enlistment or ap pointment. Acceptance of food, clothing, shelter, or transportation from the government constitutes receipt of allowances. However, whatever is furnished the accused while in custody, confinement, arrest, or other restraint pending trial for fraudulent enlistment or appointment is not considered an allowance. The receipt of pay or allowances may be proved by circumstantial evidence.
(3) One offense. One who procures one’s own enlistment, appointment, or separation by several misrepresentations or concealment as to qualifications for the one enlistment, appointment, or separation so procured, commits only one offense under Article 83.
Lesser included offense . Article 80 (http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/mcm/bl80.htm)—attempts
Maximum punishment.
(1) Fraudulent enlistment or appointment. Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 2 years.
(2) Fraudulent separation. Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 5 years.

[hustleson]

wooooowoooooooo lol a lot of problems lol alright look my asvab score is still a 39 I didn't not say it rose up to 149 because that there is impossible the highest you can get in the ASVAB is I think a 99. 8404 wrote this and i quote

" You can qualify for HM with an ASVAB score of 39? I must be missing something.

Corpsman ASVAB Score Qualifier: (http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/navyjobs/navyjobs2/blasvabdefs.htm)
VE+MK+GS=146"

So what I did is went back to my contract because they give you a copy to keep at MEPS, added up those lines of scores because I scored a 39 in the ASVAB but within that ASVAB they give you the scores of each section within the ASVAB,the 39 is the overall score.So I took those sections scores added them up and came up to a 149.They don't look at the whole ASVAB score when they give you a job they give it to you by reading the scores of each section you got from the ASVAB and they add them up..By the way The Giver they put me automatically into reserves because I have to give up physical custody of my child before I go active once I got court papers they are switching me back to active.DeeDee believe me I did read my contract that is 8 years of my life =] .

[DeeDee]

Good for you hustleston - you would be surprised at how many people enlist and have absolutely no idea what is in their contract.

I'm glad you took the time to read it and make sure it contains what you want it to. Congrats on getting your corpsman slot.
Looking forward to seeing you around the site.

[KentuckyBoy]

hustleson is correct about the ASVAB. To get the corpsman rating it doesn't matter what your overall score was (that's the 0-99 score). What does matter is a couple of certain numbers added together. The Navy is more concerned on how he does in certain portions of the test over other portions. So say one job requires a lot of reading but no mechanical skills. They will look at how that recruit scored on the Verbal part of the test when assigning him the job. So you don't have to be a really smart person to get HM, just smart in the areas where the Navy thinks it counts.
As for the other guy with a BA and a MASTERS! who scored a 39, I'm pretty surprised at that. I am almost speechless at that. I'm not attacking your character because I don't know you and also the fact that school teaches different things than what the ASVAB tests, but common man. When I was in high school I took the test and scored a 93. Then I went to college for one year, took a year off, took the ASVAB and scored a mid 80 something with no studying. If you got it then good for you, just make sure you really know what your getting into.
Also there is a program at Corps school called Plato for people that don't do very well on the ASVAB but still scored enough to get HM. I think the program runs about a month give or take and it's designed to help those with trouble in the vocabulary section. Ask Chief about that, he would no more about it than I.

[8404]

couple of certain numbers added together.

Those are called Sub-Test scores or composites!

My original post: I just thought it very ODD for someone with an AFQT of 39 to qualify with the required composite score of 146 for Corpsman. I usually hear of people scoring an AFQT of better than 80.

ASVAB Score - Navy recruits must score at least 35 on the AFQT (to even be eligible for Navy enlistment). Thus the reason I posted in the first place.

I probably should have posted it this way to alleviate any confusion. But heck, I'm an old man.

The ASVAB Sub-Test Composites Used by the Navy are:
General Science (GS)
Arithmetic Reasoning (AR)
Word Knowledge (WK)
Paragraph Comprehension (PC)
Numerical Operations (NO)
Coding Speed (CS)
Auto and Shop Information (AS)
Mathematics Knowledge (MK)
Mechanical Comprehension (MC)
Electronics Information (EI)
Sum of Word Knowledge and Paragraph Comprehension (VE)
Assembly of Objects (AO)To qualify for Corpsman, (HM) you must receive a composite score of 146 from the above three categories: VE+MK+GS=146

So you don't have to be a really smart person to get HM, just smart in the areas where the Navy thinks it counts.


Finally, it's not about "smarts", it's ALL about Aptitude.

We certainly wish the best of luck to you hustleson (http://www.corpsman.com/forum/member.php?u=1196).

[8404]

Kentucky Boy:

How's the Yakisoba and the Suntory?

[hustleson]

Thanks for the welcome I'll be around the site checking out alot of things and posting here and there other than that have any questions for me or and ADVICE lol which I could use for before I head to RTC in July which is a long way but it's better to prepare now then to suffe later :D feel free to PM me and thanks again for the welcoming.

[Da-Chief]

Hustleson,

Remember the folks who are helping you are doing so because they have son's & Daughters, friends etc.. who have gotten shafted in the past.. They are only in this to help you and others out. They do it for free and take time out of their very valuable day to do so.

I know one of the folks that have been helping you has just got back from the hospital after suffering a Heart Attack. He/She would walk the very fires of hell to help out a shipmate/ soldier/ Airmen etc..

This is why this site is so important, I applaud you for not thinking we were going off on you.. It shows you have much maturity and I want to thank you for it.

Have a good one.. and don't hesitate to ask here on Corpsman.com because the most stupid question is the one that is never asked!!!!!

Da-Chief

[The Giver]

Wow this topic has gone in so many directions that I was not expecting. First I would like to say grades mean nothing and it has been proven that testing in that manner does not measure a person true abilities. I did bomb the ASVAB with a 39 but I did earn my 3.8 in my Masters. Some people are test takers, I'm not one of those people. I excel in areas that require a hands on approach. If I am doing the job then I know exactly what is expected of me and I will do well. I have a hard time sitting in front of a computer and picturing which way two gears are moving. I have to see it and touch it. So please dont automatically assume things about me if you have never met me. "I'm not attacking your character because I don't know you." Just to let you know this is just an under handed way of insulting someone without them knowing...but I caught on.



Second I dont any "Fraud" took place during my processing...ie someone else taking the test for me. The Chief said their was an opening and because of grades from my Masters he was able to get me in. But as it was stated the truth will come to light. I however believe when placed in a classroom with hands on material I will PROVE MYSELF!

[Da-Chief]

Rule #1 in the Military..
DON'T TAKE THINGS PERSONALLY.

Rule #2
Those speaking here are Vets.. have served many many many years and are trying to assist you.. If you want to hear from "YES-MEN" go talk to your recruiter.

Do more research on here, (Corpsman.com), look at the folks who have been mislead by their recruiters. Many times it is not because the recruiter is trying to fudge something, but because they are another rate and don't understand what it takes to be a Corpsman.

As for School, NHCS Could give a RATS ASS how you study as long as you pass the tests. You "HAVE" to pass all tests with a 70% AVG or better. You can only fail 2 tests and your out. And I mean OUT in the fleet with no rate.

In other words.. Chipping paint, Cleaning Toilets etc..

Hope this helps, and I hope you understand we were not attacking you but were trying to educate you..

P.s I have seen many many many College Students with advanced degrees fail out of Corps School while I was instructor there and sat on many Review Boards when they came in pompous as hell letting us know about their prior degrees, We could give a damn about your sheepskin, What I "AM" Concerned with is are you going to learn to take care of my MARINES!!

Later
D.C.

[8404]

Giver:

I posted the fraud penalties, because far to many people have been instructed, (by recruiters) to lie about things to get into the military. I threw out that information, so people know that it is against the law. It may or may not have applied to you.

We, the staff, here at corpsman.com assist others with information that can either validate or dispel enlistment myths made by our illustrious recruiters. We, as veterans, have all have seen people get screwed over and not get what they wanted.

The statement was made that it was odd, not common for someone to score an AFQT of 39 and still make their composite scores required for Corpsman. That is what raised the red flag for me, causing me to believe the recruiter may have fed you false information.

Someone else made mention of 'smarts', I corrected that, because it not about smarts, it's everything to do with aptitude! Not all students can do the work at the pace the school teaches at. A large part of this school is taking and passing tests. NHCS does not make accommodations for students who don't test well.

This is an informational site, nobody meant any "under handed" comments to you or were 'dissing' your abilities or intelligence!

Congratulations on your success of obtaining two advanced college level degrees! As a young person, know this, education doesn't stop at the degree level and it's not always in a classroom!

Welcome Aboard
Fair Winds and Following Seas to you with your future endeavors

[The Giver]

Hey Chief and others I would like to apologize for personalizing the information you were giving. I was very open to what you were saying but that one comment was a trigger for me."I'm not attacking your character" I will be sure to keep in mind rule one....Don't take anything personal. Once again thanks again for the information. I will be leaving next Wednesday for Great Lakes for my training. Im a little nervous but I will just have to keep in mind that its all business nothing personal.

[Da-Chief]

See.. I learned Rule #1 years ago..
It's all good brother.. go out and kick ass!
;-)

D/C

[corminup]

chief i also think he forgot another main rule..........the chief is never wrong!!!

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[Nick13]

my ASVAB HM Score was 154 so i was happy b/c i got the score all i need was the job ya i all most didt get it when i went to pick there were only 3 HM spots open when i took one there were only 2 haha i win now im waitn for March 13th woo

[8404]

Nick:

Congratulations on your score and obtaining a slot for the Corpsman school.

Best of luck to you.

[dvldocjoe]

I think almost all of the replies have forgotten one main critical point in this: all of the these guys have signed a contract to serve their country in the Navy as a volunteer for a certain amount of time no matter what rate it is. All of us should be happy in this fact that they were willing to have the courage and strength to do this even if they pass or fail the HM program. These boards and its members are here to assist with questions and we all are shipmates and service members or the family of service members first and corpsmen second.

[DeeDee]

UPDATE CHECK Depper Soto

How's it going? :D