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Hey Chief I'm about half way to test one! Im paddlin into the NHCS Pipeline. I was in NMT for 2.5 weeks nothing compared to the people that were on hold for 2 months. My roomate has a laptop with internet but I usually don't bug him and just jog to the loft. All this ice is killing me, I bust my ass an average of 4-5 times a day. ROGER THAT Northern People? I'm in the USS COLE as of now but would to go back to the crackhouse, if you want out of the crackhouse your crazy!! Corps Side all the way, even though the GYM, NEX, Navy Federal, Loft, well almost everything but ross theater is closer to Main Side Barracks.
DeeDee I need to start up on that newsletter for you, I can find the time somewhere...
Hope all is well and the website looks great but a little lonely, out.
Citrus! Do you remember that old charmin ad where the kid stuffs all of this toilet paper into the seat of her pants to break her fall? Maybe you need to do that......
you gotta approach it like a penguin
heel, toe
heel, toe
LOL
Stay on your feet man ROFL
Chief study Wednesday first TEST Thursday!! I can honestly say I have given this test my all study wise, I have passed all my room and uniform inspections, and physically wise PT twice a day. I'm not shootin to PASS I'm shootin for a 90 or higher! :zz: Hoorahh to the weekand for sleep
Da-Chief
02-12-2008, 22:39
I don't understand what your saying Citrus..(the usual..) ;-)
Your in what barracks now??? 129, 131 or what?
D/C
HMC-FMF-PJ
02-13-2008, 02:50
I'm not shootin to PASS I'm shootin for a 90 or higher!
Ninety percent? Why so low? Doesn't the CO's Honor List require a score of 95% or above?
pegasusHM
02-13-2008, 05:23
First class of the new curriculum goes to labs today....33 out of 65.
33 students out of an original class size of 65 goes to labs today. One must wonder where the other 32 went?
Was this due entirely to the 'new' curriculum or is it normal to lose approximately half of every Corpsman class that goes through NHCS?
It was entirely due to the new curriculum and the instructors being unprepared to teach it. My class started with 59 and graduated with 52.... we were old curriculum. Most of the 32 people who are missing from the first class of the new curriculum were lost on tests 1 and 2. Now that the instructors are accustomed to the new curriculum the classes are doing better, my chiefs most recent class had 1-3 failures on test 1,2 and only 1 failure on 3... in comparison to the 20-30 failures on tests 1,2 and 3 of the first class to go through.
HMC-FMF-PJ :
To graduate with Distinction you need a 90 or higher average, to graduate with Honors and Distinction you need a 95 or higher average. I graduated with a 91.1 :\
Da-Chief :
Citrus is living in the USS Cole, its the largest barracks on Main Side, most of its residents are corpsman. Corpsman live inside of BEQ's 128, 129, 131, 132, and 6301 (USS Cole). 128 is 'The Ghetto" and 129 is "The Crackhouse"
Why they're still moving corpsman over to the cole I don't know, when I left there were rooms in 129 with only 1 person living in them (4 people per room capacity & 6 people in the corner rooms) and I didn't leave that long ago. They were moving people over to the cole while I lived in 129 and there were still empty rooms in there. Moving people out of a building that still has empty rooms and rooms only at 25-50% capacity... makes no sense to me :\
when I left in October there was rumors of them remodeling 129. maybe that's why it's empty now.
Correct I am in the USS COLE as of now and we are starting to take over. 129 is the Crackhouse and I truely wish it was still my house. Gettin kicked off the computer.
Im out!
corminup
02-14-2008, 14:02
born and raised a corpsman in 129....the broken toilets and one shower head with cold water was the way i lived!
I choked on my first test and failed guys. Here is how bad I choked... I probably shouldnt say it. Exampe 1. Longest bone in body I put spine haha
Example 2. Medic Symbol goes on which arm? I put right AHHHHH I KNOW!
I retake the test tomor at 0730 and by me saying this all the instructors at Corps School know who Citrus is now haha. I let down Corpsman.com my family my instructors and myself so I feel with all honesty like a shit bag right now. My Chief opened my notebook I have all my homework done, and 1/2 a notebook of notes already on TEST 1!
My strategy is to answer all the questions I know flag the ones I don't and come back to them... Sucks that 100% effort turned out to be a 67% for me and a 70% passes. I was dead honestly going for a 90 what a heart stopping shock no joke.
Im done Rambling :err:
Citrus:
It takes cajones to share with your online family what you just did! You did not fail anybody, get that, now get back in their and study some more.
The bone that goes from your pelvis to your knee is called the femur (say: fee-mur), and it's the longest bone in your body.
I think you just got a good dose of test itis, relax you know the material. It's the left sleeve my boy, the left sleeve I tell ya.
Take your time on the tests and your strategy above is sound. By the way I had to google the longest bone in the body. Yea, I know, I'm a former Marine.
Da-Chief
02-14-2008, 18:26
Breath and relax...
Repeat..
there now go take the damn test..
;-)
D/C
Chief 8404 thanks guys. That was a hard call to my family, I hate to fail at something. I will flag the unknowns and take a deep breath in between questions.
breathe caleb - you know the stuff - relax and it will be okay
I passed the test today. I'm going to go for 30 minutes study sessions and more flashcards. Test two is this coming Friday on basically the entire human Anatomy and dont forget the Vital Signs. I'm guessing around 100 or more questions...
Thanks for the prayers people I needed all I could get!!
Excellent news. That's what I wanted to hear.
Do they still have organized 'night study'? If not, get your shipmates together and study as a group on your own.
Your right Tony night study is mandatory every night BEFORE a Test. If you score a 76% or lower on your TEST you must go to after school study from 1600-1800. Honestly in my opinion it is a class that helps out with homeowork but not a good study environment at all. Lots of people like silence when they study, I have to put head phones in or go to the loft and sit in the sound room when someones playing the drums.
Citrus, you might consider the Co-op relaxtion classes to help with test anxiety, its fairly common in corps school. Sounds like you know the material to me, you're just nervous. Ask your instructors about co-op, i'm sure they won't have a problem letting you sit in for a few relaxation classes.
TEST 2 FRIDAY
Cardiovascular System
Nervous System
Integumentary System
Special Senses
Vital Signs
Relaxation classes don't sound bad but I cant afford to miss class. Maybe their will be a slow day I can attend a class that would be great! :geek:
Relaxation classes in the military, OMG! Sigh.........never mind................. ;)
I believe theres one class that kicks off around 1500. I can't remember the scheduele for co-op... I never went >.< I was just in charge of knowing where everyone was at.... can't remember what time everyone went : P
Made 69 on TEST II today no joke. Failed by one question, Nervous system and Respiratory killed me because they are the 4 questions deals.
2 Tests failures. I know the questions I missed already on Test II so Monday I should be fine. Around 87% on cardiovascular, the one I though was the most difficult. Not much to say I truly give it 100% and my instructors know that, I'm just choking on the tests.
Sorry guys truly am
Citrus:
Are they going to let you re-test on test II on Monday? If so, and you pass you won't have two test failures. Am I right?
Corpsman77
02-22-2008, 17:44
When I went through NHCS if someone failed a test and passed on a retest, it still counted as a test failure. It was 3 failures and you went in front of a board who made the determination to give you another shot or not.
Corpsman77 you are correct. I will pass the test Monday however it will be my 2nd Failure. 3 Failure and you leave your career in someone elses hands. I believe Chief can see the downhill stumble I'm taking but I wont quit.
What just got to me is that I was pulled into the instructors office and can answer all the questions they ask me from Chapter II. On the test they just rewrite the questions and thats what's getting me. I know the stuff I'm just sucking it up bad on the computer tests. The CRC quizzes are too easy.
New curriculum needs to rewrite their questions.
It was already posted that the new curriculum pretty much contains the same material as before. The only difference is the way the tests ask the questions. You truly have to know the material, in order to answer the questions, regardless of how they word them.
"Test questions at this level (Understanding) may be worded differently from the initial presentation of the material." Source: http://dushkin.com/online/study/dgen5.mhtml
Some good resources:
http://homeworktips.about.com/od/schooltests/School_Tests.htm
http://www.test-preparation.ca/study-center/2007/11/09/short-answer-and-fill-in-the-blank-test-strategies/
The Navy is probably not going to rewrite the test questions any time soon.
Corpsman77
02-25-2008, 08:46
What just got to me is that I was pulled into the instructors office and can answer all the questions they ask me from Chapter II. On the test they just rewrite the questions and thats what's getting me. I know the stuff I'm just sucking it up bad on the computer tests. The CRC quizzes are too easy.
New curriculum needs to rewrite their questions.
Oh, man, don't use the CRC quizzes unless you feel like gloating to your friends. They are zero help and will only lead you to the belief you're better than you are. Hell, some of the answers are even wrong.
My friends and I would take those quizzes out of order and see who could guess the right answer with never looking at the material. We'd buy lunch for the best average.
I repeat: Do not use those to study.
Corpsman77
02-25-2008, 08:48
You must know HOW and WHY something works, just not HOW. The tests will just get harder when you get to scenario questions.
At least test 3 is a lab (BLS). ;)
Good luck on test 4.
Thanks Mark;
I was hoping for a former Corpsman school student to chime in here with some advice.
Corpsman77
02-25-2008, 14:43
Thanks Mark;
I was hoping for a former Corpsman school student to chime in here with some advice.
It has been a little bit but I still have my NHCS books and notes. I even still have my PARS sheet. :)
Mark NEW Curriculum. Test two is
Digestive System
LymphaticAnd Endocrine
Genitourinary
Customer Service/Interpersonal Communication
Infection Control
Nutrition
Oral Anatomy
TEST III is Thursday so all this must be crammed in by Wednesday...
Oh yeah past TEST II with a 78 after my 69 Failure score. I new the some of the questions I got wrong. Mostly Respiratory and Nervous material.
Corpsman77
02-25-2008, 17:05
Mark NEW Curriculum. Test two is
Digestive System
LymphaticAnd Endocrine
Genitourinary
Customer Service/Interpersonal Communication
Infection Control
Nutrition
Oral Anatomy
TEST III is Thursday so all this must be crammed in by Wednesday...
It's hard to remember and I can't find my books, but that looks like the same stuff I had for test 2.
I remember that customer service material....
...thought it was a big waste of time, lol.
Caleb -over time I have learned that it is VERY important to take your time on tests -
You have proven that you know the information because you pass on the retest. I think you may need to SLOW DOWN when you are taking the tests and then when you answer all the questions, go back and re-read them to double check your answers.
Good Luck Hon :)
Corpsman77
02-26-2008, 12:02
Caleb -over time I have learned that it is VERY important to take your time on tests -
You have proven that you know the information because you pass on the retest.
Take your time, yes. As far as the other, that's not necessarily true. When someone fails a test, they get to SEE their test and correct/incorrect answers. The retests are the same questions in a different order.
Caleb:
Study the TLO and ELO sections and make questions from them. Master them and it will raise those grades. Wise advise from a very wise E3 Corpsman. Thank you for that "tip".
TEST III tomorrow baby! Lets pass this test and get it over with without the board judging me!
Caleb;
I don't believe the board has been "judging". What I do see, are graduates of Corpsman school giving sound advice, as they have been where you're at now, (Corps School). Some of those graduates, are former Educational Petty Officers.
You're in our thoughts and prayers and wish you nothing but the best.
Fair Winds and Following Seas....
8404 the board is at Corps School not corpsman.com
3 Tests Failure the board says ye or neh to if you stay
I passed TEST III today !!!!! Thanks DeeDee and Andi for the motivation!
Oh, the 'board' sheesh, see I'm old and feeble minded.
Congratulations Caleb.
8404 the board is at Corps School not corpsman.com
3 Tests Failure the board says ye or neh to if you stay
I passed TEST III today !!!!! Thanks DeeDee and Andi for the motivation!
Did anything I told you help? I hope so. I am very proud of you! Congrats!
YEAH!!!!
Caleb, I knew you could do it. Keep your nose to the grindstone and study study study.
Big hugs to you :bluv:
DeeDee
Corpsman77
02-28-2008, 21:30
8404 the board is at Corps School not corpsman.com
3 Tests Failure the board says ye or neh to if you stay
I passed TEST III today !!!!! Thanks DeeDee and Andi for the motivation!
What was your score? Or is BLS still test 3?
74%
BLS is not test III
Anatomy is mainly what is consisted of
TEST 4 is now in the EMT BOOK forgot the name sorry.
congrats citrus anway its been awhile since i been here..citrus do you still remember me? you went at bootcamp like week ahead of me we probably graduate at the same time time jan 18? anyway im here beq 129 class 085A just finished test two, test 3 on wednesday i think youre in rm 213 thats the only class i know took test 3 today...just hit me if you have time...
Yeah man class 213 come in and say MEADE. 129 was my house until we found the rock pile and were moved to the COLE!
SN MEADE is who I am anyone want to stop in and say whats goin on go for it. Some instructors probably stay on this page to see if I would type my name so here it is. Might be a low baller on the tests but I give it my 100%
Might be a low baller on the tests but I give it my 100%[/quote]
Oh Citrus, SN Meade,
I am an instructor at Corps School and have one suggestion for you to raise your test scores.....study more and post on forums less! Does your Chief know how much time you are spending online? Corps School is fast paced and it is not an instructor's fault for not being able to teach new curriculum (as someone posted before). We can not even teach everything we want to. You have to spend time each night studying, you should not be complaining online you can't pass tests. 80% used to a passing score when I went to HM school. Your whole Navy career will be full of tests. I'm not trying to be harsh but I'm reading posts from recent students putting blame on everyone but themselves. It is not easy being a corpsman.
Hmgirl I study, I've been writting notecards and rewritting notes for two 2 1/2 hours now while I could be at Gurnee or the Pier. Never once have I blamed an instructor or someone else for failing two tests. I can come to your class show you my notes and work maybe you can give me some advice on what I'm doing wrong. Online wise I use my roomates laptop who usually gives me 15 minutes tops at a time to use his computer. He's a gamer and put down the money for the comuter so it's all his. If you see my uniform in the halls say howdie.
You may not have been trying to be harsh but I'm giving this 100%. Once I didnt have all my questions on my homework answered, that will never happen again. I show up to AEP and Mando Night Study. My instructors are honestly in class as paid professionals and are amazing at teaching. Every day in class they instruct in multiple angles and elaborate to keep the class interested in what we joined the NAVY to become... Corpsman! I have 2 Test Failures I know where I stand, make it through the curriculum or not I have and never will give the best rate in the NAVY a bad name, simply because Corpsman are the best cream of the crop.
Hope I clearfied that enough, I will give 100% until I graduate.
HMGirl;
As an NHCS instructor and only if you're allowed to do so, could you elaborate a little more on the new curriculum tests?
What are some of the pitfalls students fall into?
Why is it instructors cannot teach everything they want to? Is it due to the tight training schedule?
Can you shed some light on some of the best methods for studying, any tips, advice?
Not a retaliation comment so no one take this personally. I hear Corps Schools DE RATE is now at 75%. Not a question I ask instructors so anyone know from 129 if it jumped up some?
Can you explain DE for us?
Disenrollment. 75% seems outragous! They were just setting up the new curriculum when I graduated, I remember the instructors talking about how it would challenge the students more but I didn't expect it to be like this.
From what I understand it's not the new curriculum, as it contains the same material from before. What is different, is the manner in which the tests are worded. It's not worded in the same manner that it is taught.
I think the purpose of this, is to test for "critical thinking". But not for sure. Just my take on it.
The following is just my opinion and an example of what I witnessed recently. We know someone who just completed her American citizenship test and was sworn in as a naturalized American. This girl studied, studied and studied some more and memorized every question and answer frontwards and backwards, verbatim. The test went over a lot of stuff, that most Americans could not answer today.
The key word here is, she memorized everything, but could not explain what she memorized. So, she did not 'learn' the material, which is very important for a student to do. Especially for our Corpsman.
The school house wants to ensure they turn out the best qualified Corpsman possible that fully know and understand what they have learned and be able to apply it. To be able to think under pressure. Not all casualties will be by the book.
Hey, that's just my take on it. I welcome anybody else here who might be able to explain it better.
Stay focused on the important stuff and forget about all that negative self talk. Stay away from the rumor mill. It serves no positive or useful purpose.
That makes sense, alot of people seemed to float by without really knowing the material. All you had to do was be able to read the tests correctly. And alot of times if you didn't know the answer to a question, just check the next one, it probably had the answer in it. I know something has changed with what is in the new curriculum though, we didn't start EMT stuff until test 6 I think it was. Up until then was alot of A&P. Citrus was saying test 3 is out of the Brady book. Wow they are moving fast.
In and out in 50 School days I believe it is. DE 8404 stand for Dis Enrollment
Some people get DE for TEST performance, their own choosing, bad conduct in and out of barracks. Basically getting the boot!
Okay, I understand. What do you mean by, "In and out in 50 School days"?
8404 - i think that in and out in 50 days is referring to the amount of time that the students are actually in classes and labs. I could be wrong but that sounds about right to me.
Aw, I see, it sounded cryptic at first. Thanks.
Corpsman77
03-02-2008, 15:15
Marie and I are talking about going to Chicago. Maybe I'll stop by and say hi to my excellent Delta instructors.
That would be a cool trip. My son, went back a couple of times. He said it was nice to go back to NHCS, as an FMF Corpsman.
Mark, take some pictures and post them here so we can see what the school house is like, barracks etc...
I would post pictures but I think it is illegal to post pictures of military compounds or bases on the internet. I know if you work at a Power Plant and post pictures you get fired and possibly arrested. Corpsman 77 check out the USS COLE BEQ 6301 NICE barracks! Like a hotel.
Corpsman77Wife
03-02-2008, 16:28
I think if we go to Chicago we should visit Da_Chief and his lovely family & then go to the base. I still can't believe how big great lakes is. Never really saw it during the day only night. We went to the bar on base it was nice until some guy hit on me ;-). Hubby didn't appreciate it. We will let you know Citrus when we come out that way.
Corpsman77
03-02-2008, 17:47
I definitely didn't appreciate it. I think he got the point, though, when I grabbed him...
As for visiting, Chief, sure! So, how about it, Chief? Marie can cook real well! ;)
Citrus, there are so many pictures out there of the base, I doubt it matters. GL is full of some really cool stuff. Don't forget the cool theater! $2 tickets are hard to beat!
If you guys are ever on base give me a shout. If your busy let me know I will just introduce myself.
HAHA Corpsman77 getting into fight at PIER 525 or whatever it's called classic Corp school moments.
Most fights go Main Side against Corps Side ever since they moved us into the same barracks, not going to elaborate on that but a very wise choice to make us all stronger!
Corpsman77Wife
03-02-2008, 19:49
Citrus he didn't get into a fight.. He would have gotten into trouble.. The guy knew I was with someone and when Mark wasn't around took advantage of it and tried to get me to dance.. I was kind of creped out.. He had to be from Main Side.. Defiantly didn't look all squared away. You can tell by the hair cuts from what I am told.
And for you Mark, gee thanks for just hiring me out to cook!!
Corpsman77
03-02-2008, 20:50
No fighting, Citrus. All I needed to do was grab him and show him I was still around. He backed down and, quite amusingly, was taken away by main side OOD.
pegasusHM
03-03-2008, 04:16
Wow...75% DE rate? I have to say I haven't heard that...and I work here. It is more like 20%, if that. Now, students can no longer DE on request. That means the only way out of here is by 3 test failures, graduation, or death. The new curriculum is the same as the old curriculum, they have just changed the order of the classes, there by changing what is covered on the tests. The hardest test now seems to be test 5. Why, we don't know. I just know that we DE about 10 kids a day now, since they intentionally fail tests to get out of here.
Corpsman77
03-03-2008, 06:36
I just know that we DE about 10 kids a day now, since they intentionally fail tests to get out of here.
That is a sad, sad thing to hear. I don't believe I've ever just failed something to get out of it.
Wow...75% DE rate? I have to say I haven't heard that...and I work here. It is more like 20%, if that. Now, students can no longer DE on request. That means the only way out of here is by 3 test failures, graduation, or death. The new curriculum is the same as the old curriculum, they have just changed the order of the classes, there by changing what is covered on the tests. The hardest test now seems to be test 5. Why, we don't know. I just know that we DE about 10 kids a day now, since they intentionally fail tests to get out of here.
Good ole mess-deck intelligence strikes again eh, (75% DE rate) . ha ha
I agree it is a sad commentary, to have students occupying seats, who would consider failing tests on purpose! Why would students even do this? Can you elaborate on that statement a little more, your opinions as an instructor would be most valuable.
Thank you Pegasus for that insight.
Could you provide our readers with some insight as to what some of the pitfalls that befall students, common mistakes, ways to improve test scores etc... I believe this information would not only benefit current students, but also those who are planning a career path of Corpsman.
Corpsman77
03-03-2008, 16:20
When I was there the biggest thing I saw was studying the same stuff you already knew. If you know anatomy pretty well for the test, you don't need to keep studying it. You need to move on and study another subject for the test. It was a huge problem that a few future docs were having. After a little bit of re-training I had them passing tests in the 80s instead of 70s.
Another thing is time management. Here's a little story from Corps school:
It's Friday and Monday was the test. 3 of my friends who I had been studying with wanted to go out to Wisconsin for the weekend. I was invited and it took every fiber of my being to say no, I had to study. They all went and I got phone calls on how awesome it was, blah, blah, blah. I was jealous that I didn't go. Until Monday came.
I went in, aced the test. They all struggled and 2 of the 3 failed. The one who passed received a 70.
2 of the 3 went on to finish Corps school as they learned their lesson. The other eventually failed 2 more times and was moved on to whatever. Time management is KEY.
You shouldn't need someone telling you to study-- you should ALREADY be studying.
If it were up to me, 80% should be passing just like in FMTB. They don't have C students in FMTB.
And if you think time management is tough at NHCS, just wait until you're so tired all you want to do is sleep 5 days a week because all the physical/mental stress you go through at FMTB.
A very good phrase I picked up at FMTB from HM2 Avila.
Here's a straw -- suck it up.
Corpsman77
03-03-2008, 16:25
If I sound harsh, I apologize. I saw those lazy ass students at FMTB and can't understand for the life of me, how the instructors put up with them.
I'm not perfect, and my wife will be the first to agree (haha), but damnit, I put my heart into learning my craft throughout school.
You know why? Because your life may depend on what I know.
Think about it.
Pearls of wisdom:
This is advice coming from someone who performed well in Corps school, and was assigned additional duties, on top of being a student. One of those additional duties was Educational Petty Officer, EPO for his class. He knows what works and what didn't.
Thanks Mark.
Here, pick a color.
http://re3.yt-thm-a01.yimg.com/image/25/f10/327120322
"The only thing between death and a wounded Marine, is the Corpsman"!
pegasusHM
03-03-2008, 18:26
If I sound harsh, I apologize. I saw those lazy ass students at FMTB and can't understand for the life of me, how the instructors put up with them.
I'm not perfect, and my wife will be the first to agree (haha), but damnit, I put my heart into learning my craft throughout school.
You know why? Because your life may depend on what I know.
Think about it.
wow...where to go with this one....not in a bad way. Think about it this way. Why do parents have children? yes, yes, there is the standard reason, but part of it is because parents want to live on through their children. We as instructors chose to teach because we want to pass on to the children our knowledge and experience. We strive to make better sailors, then corpsmen. Also, that is part of being a leader. Putting up with people you want to throttle and choke the life out of.
Corpsman77
03-03-2008, 19:11
Pearls of wisdom:
This is advice coming from someone who performed well in Corps school, and was assigned additional duties, on top of being a student. One of those additional duties was Educational Petty Officer, EPO for his class. He knows what works and what didn't.
Thanks Mark.
Here, pick a color.
http://re3.yt-thm-a01.yimg.com/image/25/f10/327120322
"The only thing between death and a wounded Marine, is the Corpsman"!
EPO & MAA. I was a double red badge and it made my life hell there but I wouldn't want it any other way.
Oorah, Delta!
Why do parents have children?
I'm sorry I must have dozed off during that lesson in corps school, can you explain it again? :D I'm sorry HM1, I couldn't resist. I never really understood why the passing grade wasn't higher at corps school, I mean those few extra points on a test could very well mean life or death for some one one day. I know there are people that really know the material but have a hard time taking tests, but when you are dealing with your shipmate's safety and health, that's not a gamble I'm willing to take just because I have a feeling this person knows what they are doing. I was shocked when I got to a hospital and didn't have a nurse or doctor watching my every move. Thankfully I never made a mistake that could have really damaged one of my patients, but I contribute that to the fact that I spent alot of time studying the material when I could have been at Gurnee Mills or exploring in Chicago. That's not to say I didn't have a good time at NHCS, but only after I knew the material. I didn't know it at the time of graduation, but every day I think of how much just a few words can mean to someone; "I hold the care of the sick and injured to be a privilege and a sacred trust and will assist the Medical Officer with loyalty and honesty."
pegasusHM
03-04-2008, 04:16
Unfortunately, we don't set the minimum passing grade. We are having a hard enough time getting the ASVAB score requirements to go up and for them to stop giving waivers to get in here.
Corpsman77
03-04-2008, 07:59
What is the current minimum ASVAB score required for entry or is it still VE+MK+GS=146?
pegasusHM
03-04-2008, 11:17
currently it is 140
Sheesh they LOWERED it? OMGawd, what are they thinking?
psencik1950
03-04-2008, 11:52
In general, nursing schools have a 75 cut off grade in undergrad work. And too many C's could get you set back.
Grad school for Nurse Practitioner was nothing lower than a "B". And certainly not in a clinical course.
A very good phrase I picked up at FMTB from HM2 Avila.
Here's a straw -- suck it up.
OMG - Dan says that ALL THE TIME - I wonder if that is where he picked it up.
LOL
Corpsman77
03-04-2008, 12:25
currently it is 140
What are the instructors proposing for a new score?
pegasusHM
03-04-2008, 14:20
Unfortunately, they could raise the score to 250, but if they keep granting waivers, it doesn't matter.
What are the waivers for, ASVAB score? Why would the Navy grant ASVAB score waivers for Corpsman? Are they that short for 8404 Corpsman?
I didn't think the Navy was hurting that bad for Corpsman. Hmmmmm, Nope, I'm too damn old and have to use a "tucker" now. :err:
Corpsman77
03-04-2008, 15:38
Unfortunately, they could raise the score to 250, but if they keep granting waivers, it doesn't matter.
I see your point.
Corpsman77
03-04-2008, 15:42
What are the waivers for, ASVAB score? Why would the Navy grant ASVAB score waivers for Corpsman? Are they that short for 8404 Corpsman?
I didn't think the Navy was hurting that bad for Corpsman. Hmmmmm, Nope, I'm too damn old and have to use a "tucker" now. :err:
I don't think this a Navy only problem. I believe ALL services are handing out waivers for pretty much anything because they need the people.
taking test 4 on monday..im still studying here my room..i dont know why but every time a test is coming up i dont see myself confident to take the test but i passed it...we started 68 were in test 4 were down to 52 wish me luck
HM3 Benfold;
How have your grades been for Tests 1-3 thus far? Holding your own?
Best of luck to you, man and stay motivated and away from the nay sayers and negative rumor mills
You know, Im glad that the DE rate is so high.
Look, not to sound like a prick, but I disagreed with the policy of "just push em through." when I was in corps school not so long ago. I sat in the same desk they are now while listening to the "mistakes in the fleet by you will get people killed, maimed, or seriously screw with their life," speech over and over again like everyone else. And now that I am out here, I know now...they werent kidding.
The Medical Corps and the Nurse Corps rely HEAVLY...and i mean HEAVLY on their hospital corpsmen to get things straight. I can only speak for the hospital ward setting; as I have not yet been deployed...but WE do the initial interview of the patient (your S and O's) and try to get to the root of the problem...WE do all the sticking...WE do all the blood drawing...WE start the I.V.s, WE take care and transition the babies after birth, WE update the patient's medical records...WE are the backbone of navy medicine. and THAT'S WITH officer oversite.
We are not even talking about on a boat, when its just you and "DOC;" or its you, an MD, a Nurse, and 20 other corpsman taking care of 2000+ personnel's well-being on a carrier (I know I used bad grammer in that sentence, it was written for effect). And we arent even talking about the Marines, where its just YOU, man...YOU.
Look, not to knock the other rates...im sure their job is vital as well, but man..the hospital corps in NOT the place for shipmates that dont understand that we hold lives in our hands....lives. One bad day...and someone dies. I can start an IV on a patient here, forget to prime the line, and give him a line full of air. What does that do to your patient that put his or her life in your hands? Look it up...its in your book. But I can hint that it isnt pretty, and someone is in for a bad...bad day.
I will tell you what I told my fellow students back when I was the lead EPO for Charlie, tutoring people with my free time, "if this information is difficult for you, you need to forget gaming, forget parcheezi's, forget Navy Pier, forget Gurnee, forget everything. You need to eat, live, sleep, poo, and wallow in your course material. LIVE your material. It needs to be everything your life is for for these next 2 months...everything."
Once you do that...it will come easier to you...then you play later. If you do that...you wont fail a test...or flunk out...and then you will earn the right to treat and heal patients that trust you with their most private of possesions. Their bodies.
But we shouldnt just push corpsman through. Seaman with exceptional attention to detail, drive, motivation, and yes...some intellectual apptitude need only apply. If you cant hack it...its not up to the instructors to force the issue. If you dont have it, you just dont have it.
Make me a liar and prove me wrong. Please.
Corpsman77
03-10-2008, 08:10
Well said, Taylor. I agree with everything.
Taylor:
I agree with you on most points. I don't believe there is anyone, who advocates the "pushing of students through"!
My point was geared towards negative self talk and negative people. It doesn't do anybody any good!
i passed the test!!!!! :P getting for test 5 on friday....citrus taking the test 5 tom. i think good luck citrus
Thanks Rendell awesome job man! 4 took 5 Shipmates out of my class it sucks. Test 5 is tomor and the Corps Killer better put up a fight. I'm putting my heart into this one just like the rest. Studying doesnt let me on this site much anymore so please PM me with any comments or questions people truely sorr peeps. Will post my score tomor couldnt be more ready!
SN MEADE OUT
Corpsman77
03-10-2008, 17:32
Quick word of advice: There are not any tests that are Corpsman killers.
Study hard.
pegasusHM
03-11-2008, 04:43
Board results are out.........
Quick word of advice: There are not any tests that are Corpsman killers.
Mark - you attended Corps School - I know you heard that phrase before - meaning a test that if you failed could cause you to not make it through the course. Remember you were once a student too.
:)
Corpsman77
03-11-2008, 08:32
Yes I did hear it...
...and I didn't pay it any attention then, either.
It's just more scuttlebutt that runs rampant through NHCS. If it's not test 5, it is test 6, or 7, or 8. Blah, blah, blah.
When I was there the Corpsman killers were tests 2, 6, and 12. If you don't study effectively then every test is a Corpsman killer.
Pshaw. Corpsman killers were 3,6, 9 and 12 always! ...damn multiples of 3 I tell you...
79% on five. Onto TEST 6 another day!
Kryptic34
03-13-2008, 23:05
5 i think was one of the easiest test. 6 was hard, but the rest of them weren't bad. 9 was pretty easy too in my opinion. don't remember what i got on 5 and 9, i know it was in the 90s but test 6 i failed once.
I remember Dan saying that #12 was the hardest one for him
Corpsman77
03-14-2008, 11:30
I'm not gonna lie, 12 was hard but only because it was a lot of material on immunizations / nursing care.
That's quite a load of information. I actually took more time than usual to study for that test.
13, on the other hand, was ridiculously easy.
Corpsman77Wife
03-14-2008, 11:32
Way to Go Citrus.. Good Luck on Test 6..
Corpsman77
03-14-2008, 11:33
5 i think was one of the easiest test. 6 was hard, but the rest of them weren't bad. 9 was pretty easy too in my opinion. don't remember what i got on 5 and 9, i know it was in the 90s but test 6 i failed once.
Test 9 was alright it was just boring learning about paperwork, and the fact 5-8 were about EMT and MOI and was pretty exciting stuff to learn. Then, bam. Forms. Yuck.
GO CITRUS GO
You have your own cheer section around here - :D
Get more students on here (it should be part of in-processing at NHCS - #2 on the checklist - sign up for membership on Corpsman.com)
:) Good Luck Citrus - we are all pulling for you
Hugs
Alaska dad
03-19-2008, 23:45
got the call from the son finished this week and got the orders he wanted-FTMB and the 1st Marines. he had requested 8404 and West Pac
Excellent, I love to hear about those who get the orders they actually wanted.
1st Marine Division, would that be Camp Pendleton or 29 Palms. The Palms has some of the 1st Marines Division there as well.
Congrats to your son AlaskaDad
now get his butt in here too :D
Got an 80 on TEST 6 I forgot to post it.
Test 7 Tomor. I believe tomorrow is Thursday I have lost track of time this week but the test is tomorrow.
Corpsman77Wife
03-26-2008, 20:03
Great job Citrus looks like you are right on track. Best of luck to you!
Marie
For clarification, Test 6 was taken last Friday, March 21.
Best of luck to you Citrus.
78 on TEST 7 Today. Passing but dropped two points from my high score of 80. Have great weekend yall, weather sucks as of 1747 Thursday
Hang in there Citrus, you're half way there, didactically speaking! Gosh, is that a word?
Test 9 was alright it was just boring learning about paperwork, and the fact 5-8 were about EMT and MOI and was pretty exciting stuff to learn. Then, bam. Forms. Yuck.
Wait until your HM3 adv exam....
Corpsman77
03-29-2008, 17:28
Wait until your HM3 adv exam....
Already did. I'll find out soon.
KentuckyBoy
04-23-2008, 12:47
I'm glad that corps school is much more difficult then when I went through (Jan-Mar 07). When I went through you learned on the computer and took the test whenever you were ready. I just wanted to get out of there and I was taking 2 to 3 tests a week every week. Do you really think I knew the information if I would take a test on Monday, study Monday night and Tuesday, pass the test on Wednesday, study Wednesday and Thursday and pass the test on Friday? When I graduated I really only knew about 50% of the material. I'm a good test taker and the tests were easy to guess on. I regret going so fast and not really taking in the information. Granted, the real learning takes place with OJT, but I would like to have a more solid foundation. I will add this, even with taking that many tests a week, Corps school was one of my best experiences in the Navy. I had a blast with my roommates and compared to these days I got plenty of rest and had a lot of free time for fun.
Advice for taking the test is to go through the test one time and answer everything you are confident on. Then go back through and answer what you think you might know, you'll be surprised at how other questions will trigger your memory. Then go through and answer the ones you don't know at all. Take your time and find out what study method works best for you. I found that teaching someone works really well. Best of luck and have fun.
This was a very interesting thread. It had me hooked from the first post. Things sure have changed since I was at NHCS back in 1988! We lived in 4 man rooms and the students were split up into Alpha and Bravo classes. With Alpha classes in the AM and Bravo in the PM. I remember my Lt. Lt Orlen, she was one of the best Navy Nurses I have had the pleasure to serve with. I can't remember my Chief's name, but our HM2 was HM2 Weaver. He came from Division and he use to PT us like we were headed back there.
I was an instructor at NSHS in Portsmouth, earned my MTS and I sat on many Academic Review Boards. The thing that struck me was the excuses I got from students that ended up @ the ARB for academic reasons. I would always ask them what is your job?
A Navy students job, if you are in "A" school or "C" school, is to be a student. You are being paid to learn the material that your instructors are presenting you. That is your job. If you need help, ask for it. If you don't want to be there, don’t' waste your instructors time and effort and get the h@&& out of there. Instructors spend most of their time and effort on a small minority of the students. If it was up to me, I would spend my time on the students that will be successful in the fleet. Sometimes I think we forget that when "we" (corpsmen) make mistakes, people could die. Keep that in the back of your mind, and never forget it. I have had several patients expire while in my care, and I will never forget any of them, and I find myself asking myself, "Could I have done anything better?"
I guess what I'm saying is don't go through any of your training half @$$ed. Someone’s life may depend on it.
I'll hop off my soap box now.
Thanks for reading, and listening to my rant.
Mike
Professor Mike;
I wanted to say, Welcome Aboard sir and were very glad you are here. Your experience and expertise is invaluable to our membership.
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