finishing up your PQS? to get E3?

[stefanm84]

Hopefully i get all my transcripts together within the next 3 months 19 days. but my question is, how would i get E3 or E2 in boot? or while in DEP? my recruiter told us today he entered boot as and e1 was still and e1 when he got into A school but finished top of his class and was automatically put to e4.. is that possible? and if so as and corpsman, could i make E4 rite out of A school if i pull out as #1?

PS: i think he told me he was a accountant of some sort? not sure what rating that falls under...

[NB52USN]

I think the highest you can get out of boot is an E2 with no college credits or any of that. hard word and knowing ur stuff will get u 2 E2 pretty quick i do believe....PQS also.........Highest you can get right from the get go is an E3 with all your college credits..E1-E3 are known as nonrated paygrades. E4-E9 are your general ratings. I dunno if you can go from E1-E4 in that short of time 2 years it usuall takes to do that and one usually would need to spend a minimum length of time in a given rate before you can even try to advance. That period is called time in rate and was created to ensure that you as a sailor spends some time at each level gaining experience before u are eligible for advancement. Advancement tests are only given at certain times of the year and it takes time to process and grade them. Now im still learning year as i have yet gone to boot may 5th! right around the corner but from everything i have researched it will take you at least 6 months to go from E3-E4 at least. Im sure any of our top board advisors here can help you out better then me but thought i would mention something!

[8404]

You have to either have a certain amount of college credits, complete a Jr. R.O.T.C. program while in high school. I know, I did it or have recruited a certain number of people to join the Navy to get E3 out of boot camp, RTC.

Completing the DEP-PQS will get you E2 out of boot camp, RTC.

All of the above is dependent upon the recruit/Sailor maintaining a state of readiness and having passed all phases of boot camp, to include the physical fitness tests, height weight standards and body fat composition. I know of one Sailor who completed his DEP-PQS but graduated as an E1 even though he had E2 on his contract. I believe he mentioned something to the effect of failing a couple of PRT's at RTC.

I doubt your recruiter was promoted from E2 to E3 to E4 all within the time frame of an 'A' school. Puleeze!

Request from your Recruiter the, “Personnel Qualification Standards [DEP PQS booklet]. Complete this PQS Section with your Recruiter — and it could mean instant advancement!

The DEP PQS system ensures DEP personnel attain, demonstrate and sustain the basic knowledge and skill levels necessary for a smooth transition from civilian life to entry-level Navy life.

[Taylor]

I doubt your recruiter was promoted from E2 to E3 to E4 all within the time frame of an 'A' school. Puleeze!


Second that. NHCS use to promote the valevictorian to E4, but that program got deep-sixed a long time ago.

Ask me how I know :rmad:

[NB52USN]

Taylor how do you know?

[MAWDoc]

Depends when your recruiter came in, under which program, etc. The Navy used to offer something called "ATF: Advanced Technical Field" which called for a 4 year enlistment, 2 year extension. The program applied to certain rates, and guaranteed E4 out of A school. Commonly called "Push Button Petty Officers", because of how fast you put it on. Early 90s as part of Gulf War recruiting drove the program, and it was on its way to rest by 1992. I know. I was a "push button"...graduated E2 out of boot camp, was an HA through NHCS from Sep 91-Feb 92, and was an HM3 on Feb 7th...no BMR, no PARs, no MilReqs or HM3&2...paid that day. So, 6 months in the Navy, HM3. Again, depends if he came in on that program or one similar, but definitely possible.
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HMC(FMF/CAC)

[sailorsgirl777]

my husband did all of his stuff he had to do to become an E-3 before going into boot but his recruiters screwed something up so he was an E-1. he got a meritorious promote during boot and became an E-2 and then during A school he was top of his class so got E-3. but becoming E-4 out of A school? I dont think so, my husband said that had someone who had already been an E-3 and gotten top of the class, they would not get a promotion and just stay E-3.

[MAWDoc]

Sailorsgirl777...not anymore. I was never an E3, and there were a lot like me. E2 to E4. Swear to God. Not since 92 though.

[IT3_to_HM3]

Some A-schools promote there students to E-4 upon graduation. Why? I don't know, it makes no sense to me.

[sailorsgirl777]

my husband just graduated last month and they were told you could only make E-3,i mean maybe before? but as of last month they could only get E-3 for being top of the class

[8404]

my husband just graduated last month and they were told you could only make E-3,i mean maybe before? but as of last month they could only get E-3 for being top of the class

Nuke school may be different, again these programs come and go, so nothing remains concrete in the military.

[Poseidon]

Aight, here's how it goes;
Minimum time for getting rank;
E1-E2:9 months
E2-E3:9 months
E3-E4:6 months
E4-E5:12 months than E5-E9 are all 36 month minimums before you can try for the next rank(FYI from what I hear from the guys that have gone while i sat around for 9 months the corpsman rating is currently severely over manned so don't expect to be an E7 in 6 years); as for getting E1-E3, there are a few ways, first you can get some people to join, for every SEAL or NUKE you get you get bumped up a rank, so if u get two NUKEs for example you get E3, one NUKE e2, and for the people you recruit that join for average rates you need 2 people to get bumped up a rank.
Next, If you were involved with NJROTC, AFROTC etc. you get E3, same with Seacadets or other programs like that.
Next ways always confuse me so don't take my word for it, there are two times for promotion in boot, first it the PQS(Personal Qualification standards) you should receive a PQS book upon your departure from MEPs and you will be tested within your first few days of boot, secondly i believe RDC's are allowed to Meritoriously Promote 10% of their Division, if they don't think anyone deserves it they wont hesitate to not give anyone a promotion.
and Lastly there are college credits .....
I really hope all this info is correct, im 94.66% sure it is correct but feel free to correct me if i was mistaken or missed something.:zz:

Oh and by the way, NUKEs are guaranteed E4 upon graduation from A-school I think

[sailorsgirl777]

yeah sorry when i said they couldnt get E-4 out of A school i meant just for hospital corps A school, I know other schools can get E-4 or do get it right away or whatever, just to clear that up sorry

[MAWDoc]

...finished top of his class and was automatically put to e4.. is that possible? and if so as and corpsman, could i make E4 rite out of A school if i pull out as #1?

Possible, yes. As a corpsman, no. Sorry. Theoretically, you could go through boot as an E-3 (2 months in grade). Corps school, 3.5 months with a TED of 1 Jan 09, you could POSSIBLY take the HM3 exam in September, and POSSIBLY be frocked to HM3 in December.

I'm not sure that you'll be allowed to participate in the advancement exam for rate while in that rate's A school, ie, haven't been designated a corpsman yet.

Any NHCS instructors have different gouge on that? I think that Fleeties could compete, but again, not 100% certain of that...

[DocLat]

Man I'm going to sound old on this post, but here it goes.

Back in the day......1987 to be exact, there was the ATF and AEF. Advanced Technical Field and Advanced Electronic Field. This was in the days of the build up to the 700 ship Navy.


I enlisted under the ATF, it was a 6 year enlistment. I was guaranteed Hospital Corps School and a follow on C-school. Also upon graduation from "A" school I was guaranteed advancement to E-4.

I came in as an E-3, went to Corps School, Graduated as a HM3, went to X-ray school. In X-ray school there was the STAR program that a lot of folks used to get them advanced to E-5. So there were a lot of "Slick Sleeve" HM2's. (No service stripes) These folks re-enlisted for 6 years, got an SRB (bonus) and E-5. I did not want to re-enlist early and loose $$$$. I waited, took and passed the advancement exam and was promoted to HM2, all under 4 years. Took a little longer to make HM1. Passed every Chief's test, made board every time, but wasn't selected. Retired after 20 years last July.

[vbaker4]

I have 2 referrals and doing PQS to get my E-3. Also, my buddy that is a Yeoman is already a Third class within his first year, he kissed a lot of butt and did well on his tests. I think he left boot camp at E-2, not sure though.

[HMC-FMF-PJ]

There is a rule for everything and for every rule there is an exception and alternate interpretation.

Your career starts with the negotiation of your enlistment contract. Where it goes from there is largely up to you. There are ways of obtaining accelerated advancements and jumping ranks. A few that come to mind off the top of my head include:

RTC Honorman
Top A-School Graduate
"Early Promote" & Time-In-Rate (TIR) Waiver
Combat Meritorious Advancement Program (CMAP)
Command Advancement Program (CAP)
Chief of Naval Operations Sailor of the Year (CNO SOY)
Selective Training And Reenlistment (STAR) Program
Selective COnversion and ReEnlistment (SCORE) Program

[HMC-FMF-PJ]

I really hope all this info is correct, im 94.66% sure it is correct but feel free to correct me if i was mistaken or missed something.

Is this what you are looking for?


http://www.cnrc.navy.mil/officer/cnrc%20forms/1133_101.doc
NAVCRUIT 1133.101 (Rev. 05-05), Advanced Paygrade Enlistment Statement Of Understanding