RTC Promotions for Top Performers

[HMC-FMF-PJ]

Some FNG's will tell you that the tests and inspections during RTC (Boot Camp) do not matter. Here is just one little career tip that should prove they do:

[] Accelerated Advancement of Recruit Training.
CO of the Recruit Training Command may advance the top 10 percent of each graduating class to the next higher paygrade (E-2 or E-3). TIR requirements for the purpose of this advancement are waived. If a member is eligible for accelerated advancement to E-2 under an enlistment incentive and earns eligibility under this article, member will be advanced to E-3, and effective date of advancement will be date of graduation.


[] Candidates must meet body fat and physical readiness standards. Candidates for advancement must also have a satisfactory record of military bearing and professional performance.


REFERENCE: MILPERSMAN 1430-010
http://buperscd.technology.navy.mil/bup_updt/508/milpers/1430-010.htm
http://buperscd.technology.navy.mil/bup_updt/upd_CD/BUPERS/MILPERS/MILPERSMAN%20%201430%20-%20ADVANCEMENTS%20IN%20RATE%20OR%20RATING.PDF

[Corpsman77]

Some FNG's will tell you that the tests and inspections during RTC (Boot Camp) do not matter. Here is just one little career tip that should prove they do:

[] Accelerated Advancement of Recruit Training.
CO of the Recruit Training Command may advance the top 10 percent

They learn how to suck up so when the evals start getting done they know what to say to get that EP.

[HMC-FMF-PJ]

They learn how to suck up so when the evals start getting done they know what to say to get that EP.

Do you care to elaborate on that statement?

Are you implying that all recruits who get promoted are suck ups?

Are you suggesting that all CO's and CPO's are too stupid to tell the difference between a suck up and an outstanding performer deserving of recognition?

[Corpsman77]

Do you care to elaborate on that statement?

I think I struck a nerve.

Are you implying that all recruits who get promoted are suck ups?

I would say the majority.

Are you suggesting that all CO's and CPO's are too stupid to tell the difference between a suck up and an outstanding performer deserving of recognition?

Now this is tricky. I'll say that that the CO and down sometimes get the EP bug for certain individuals.

I've seen it - I know it happens.

[DocShea]

Hmmm.... This is going to be a good one, I can feel it.

If the majority are suck ups, then someone isn't doing their job! Someone has let them down by showing that a suck up can get promoted or rewarded easier than over a worker! This is a good one. Does it happen????? of course......But its defently NOT the majority. Are there favorites???? sure sometimes.....again not the majority. One thing I have learned over the years it's 90% additude! You can be the hardest worker around doing more than those around you, but if you maintain a negative aditude it wont matter!

Back to the boot camp side of things, they learn what we teach them... I have known many RDC's and I dont know any of them to be the type to reward Sucking-up over hard work. Perhaps this is a matter of prespective.

[8404]

...Perhaps this is a matter of prespective...

oorah DocShea.

...One thing I have learned over the years it's 90% attitude!...

This is true, throughout ones lifetime! Attitude affects everything in life, both good and bad. One of my former managers had only one poster in his office and nothing else. No personal pictures or artifacts, just the one poster. It read, "Do what you've always done....Get what you've always got!

I would like to add to DocSheas' statement. Very few people will rejoice and celebrate with an individual who 'achieves' something in their life. They in turn covet, whatever it is, and discredit the achievement through negative words and deeds.

[Corpsman77]

Perhaps this is a matter of prespective.

Perspective is everything.

I saw it happen first hand when I went through boot. I'm the one who pulled all the hard cards out for the people who got it. I agreed with one of them from the list.

I then saw it at my current command. It is all about face time. Face time trumps hard work the majority of the time from my experience.

I could go on and list specific events but I'd rather keep the anonymity of this.

[Da-Chief]

I have to I am disappointed in Corpsman77's perspective. Maybe it is time Shipmate to look in the mirror as it seems that you have a "I AM OWED" Something complex.

Do I know there are Butt Snorklers out there!! Hell yes, Do some of them get promoted? yep.. but I would honestly say it is about 5%.

I know CPO's do not like Ass kissers, you don't believe me? Then you should find a way to make CPO and then go to one of our meetings..

Ever see a Piranha eat a fresh piece of meat? This is what it is like when a Ass kisser comes into one of our meetings.

How come shipmate, you don't use some peer pressure on this Ass Kissing shipmate and take him aside and let him know what he is getting perceived as..

But before you do this.. (Because I know you won't) I would get the facts..

Some folks would say I was a ass kisser to get SOY in NOLA, I had to be because I was a TAR in a USN Command and got SOY.

Here is what they didn't see..

** I went to work at 0630 and very rarely left prior to 1800 each day

** I would volunteer my folks and myself to work in other dept's who were short handed, I fostered "TEAM WORK"

** My advancement rate for those taking the EMT National Boards were 97% while other dept's were at around 60%

** I started advancement classes for those taking the advancement test open to anyone who wanted to study.. Advancement on those who came to my classes who were eligible? About 50%. (Going rate at the time was at about 7-10%) I could not fix bad eval's but damn they scored good on the test. One HM2 in particular who was up for HM1, had "P"'s as his final Mulitiple... What did he do? Cut a 78... And was advanced.

See there are check's and balences. Mark(I am going to use your name becuase a statment like that should have your name in it) I am mighty mighty disappointed in this attitude. I "NEVER" thought it would come from you.

Maybe it is time you see the Army recruiter becuase there is not place in "OUR" Navy for those who think this way..

Semper Gumby,
Darrell

[Da-Chief]

Face time = Work time

Plain and simple..

To get face time, you have to be there early and leave late.

I would guess you are there.. if Muster is @ 0700, your there at 0700, Secure time is 1600, you leave at 1600..

Here is what you probably don't see from those shipmates....

They are at the Reserve Center working on weekdays, or calling around working to get supplies etc...

Leaders do this "FACE TIME"..

[DeeDee]

I saw it happen first hand when I went through boot. I'm the one who pulled all the hard cards out for the people who got it. I agreed with one of them from the list.

Could it be possible that the people who make the decisions about advancement in boot saw something in these people that you didn't? It doesn't matter if you agree or not with the people chosen to advance, the decision isn't yours. Are you just angry that you weren't one of them? Sounds like a GIANT case of Sour Grapes to me.

Would you like some cheese to go with that whine???

Frankly Ass-kissers and whiners both annoy me.

[Corpsman77]

I go into a thread and speak my view from experience yet I am chastised like a little kid. I am not a little kid and will not take kindly to that kind of nonsense.

I'll make this really simple. I do not think I am owed anything other than a fair shake. And I get a fair shake because I work hard. Not everyone gets a fair shake! How can you all tell ME that I'm wrong? I SAW it happen.

Furthermore, using my name is not something I agree with because, quite frankly, personnel from my unit visit this site. I tell people about the site and not my login name.

0700 is muster, yes. I get to where I need to be always early. I am ALWAYS the first there. I unlock the damn door and make coffee for the HMC, HMC Select and the Commander. 1600 dismissal? Right... I haven't been let go at 1600 since I worked at the blue side NOSC.

I work hard. I was almost put up for an award because of all my hard work during my last AT that just ended. Hell, I had to stand up to a Captain in the USMC because I felt training was unsafe. After he eyeballed me and and proceeded to bring me down, guess what happened? He knew I was right and apologized to me. Training was adjusted to keep Marines free from injury.


We've never seen eye to eye and I don't think we ever will. [following comments deleted, as they were insultive to a user], it maddens me.


I am so upset right now. Where is the brotherhood and sisterhood that we as Corpsmen share? It sure as hell isn't here.

[DeeDee]

DeeDee: We've never seen eye to eye and I don't think we ever will.

I stated my thoughts on your post - plain and simple. I would have said the same thing to a post from anyone else (and I HAVE)

When you follow Chief around like a lost puppy and agree with everything he says, it maddens me.

This was unnecessary and disrespectful. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't warrant a personal attack on me.

[8404]

...you have a "I AM OWED" Something complex...

Chief, I've heard it called an, "entitlement" attitude!

Sorry corpsman77, I have to disagree with your statements. You're young, so very young.

You cannot make a statement that ALL Recruits who were advanced at RTC graduation are kiss asses! That shows pure ignorance on your part! Your actually saying that everybody else is screwed up in the world except you! As a former manager, that would surely raise my eyebrows!

My question to you, did you congratulate your shipmates who were advanced at RTC graduation? Was the congratulatory genuine? Or did you choose to stand back and spew venom, hate and discontent amongst the other graduating Recruits about how they kissed ass to get there?

Allow me to take it further, at your Reserve Center:


how many times are you at the Reserve center other than on a drill week-end?
If you're there, other than on a drill week-end, are you doing some form of work to help out the FTS people?
Are you making a difference at your command other than on a drill week-end?
What are you doing for your community by way of volunteering?
What are you doing with regards to continuing education?
What exactly are you doing to help the command other than what is expected of you as a drilling Corpsman?
What are you doing to help Junior personnel to advance or become better Sailors or Marines? You're an NCO now. Lead by example, that is, a positive example!
At the end of a drill week-end, do you stay late and help close up the center?

I've seen this attitude far too many times before and I can guarantee you it almost always ends in disaster. Maybe not immediately, but surely in the time most appropriate for you in your life.

Remember: Do what you've always done.....Get what you've always got!

Work well, exceed all expectations and objectives, even when nobody is watching! Do this without expectations of reward, because the One who does see, cannot be seen. Of that, I am sure!

This is NOT ass kissing, rather young sir, it is being an integral part of a team, a military unit, assigned with a mission and purpose. Are you doing your part for it's success?

Your 'fair' shake is your thank you from the Navy. You get thanked 24 to 26 times a year in the form of a paycheck.