Army medic training

[Doc_Pardue]

Thought you would be interested in the differences in Army program. Army hasmedic trainingprogram 91 Wthat will change to MOS68 W in 2007. This program trains for trauma care in battlefield andpatient care in hospital setting.

https://www.cool.army.mil/91w.htm

http://www.cs.amedd.army.mil/91w/R&D/TC%208-800%20TSP1.htm

[crazycajun]

ARRRRRMY TRAINING SIR!!!!

[Doc_Pardue]

Actually, I believe that the Navy and Army will receive the same training by 2009 at Ft. Sam Houston, TX. I believe that Great Lakes Training Center will be phased down. I think that it is a great move. The Navy will still assign their own personnel as will the Army.

This might surprise you but I worked at the Newport News Shipbuilding and Dry Dock Co. in Va. I was there when the kneel was laid for the Eisenhower and the Niemz went onher sea trials. I have been all over the aircraft carriers while they were being built. I even put my initials and date on the port side beams. Both are mighty weapons. My cousin was a crew member on the sub Spadefish and he took me and my wife on a tour of the sub while he was at Norfolk.

[crazycajun]

Doc_P,

You are correct, though I was thinking that it was going to happen for the basic school was '10, though I'm sure Da'chief could further give possible details on it.

Though, the Army does provide good training in the medical field! I wuz havin some fun, because I loved the Stripes Moive!

In the words of John Boy and Billy: Luv ya, Mean it.....

[DevilDoc]

Just one thing about Army and it's Medics....a few Doc's I know got deployed on a JTFF mission. They were with some Army "Medics". Although this was their MOS, they didn't even know how to take vital signs....they were told that while thier MOS was Medic...they were just drivers or whatever else....a little confused on that one...Also, I went on a JTF assignment once and one of the Army Medics with us, didn't even know how to do a suture and she'd been in about four years...she had about the same training as a civilian first responder. So I guess there are all different kinds of medics for the Army. Perhaps Doc-P can explain it????

[Doc_Pardue]

Not sure how to explain that one. I know what kind of training I received and I have visited the new medic course at Ft. Sam Houston and also the Navy school at Great Lakes. Both are great schools. I do know that the Army is very up on trauma care for it's medics. They added 6 additional weeks to the course of battle field trauma. They use high tech training aids that respond to treatment. I did learn how to suture at my duty station and did so many times while in the field or back at the aid station. I was a field medic which meant I went out with the infantry and took care of my men.

Can't say what you ran into but if they were just filling slots and doing the job OJTand being used as drivers something is wrong with that picture. I would say now that the Army and Navy are pretty much the same type of training for MOS. I do know that the Army side is able to become EMT cert right out of school.

Weather report Arizona 74 degrees sunny--how's it your way? Does it look anything like this?

[DevilDoc]

Uh yeah...not quite like that Doc P....we don't have any snow at present. It's just cold. Today is so bad, just windy. Feels like Chicago....lol. But of course no snow. Not sure how we've made it to DEC 16th without one snowflake...but hey I'm happy with that! I wish I was in AZ catching some rays.....awwwww! I'm jealous:P!

[Doc_Pardue]

Plenty of sunshine here, enough to go around, we do have a cold front coming in the next couple of days. Daytime high 59 and low 39, it has been 74 day and 55 at night, oh well, have to have some winter sometime. I sent something to Crazy Cajun to send on to you as I don't have your email. It is for your husband.

Doc P

[DevilDoc]

Check your PM's....

[Doc_Pardue]

Thanks and good luck tomorrow you are going to need it, looks like to me that Kaymanism is throwing it away picking opposite from me, oh well, one down and two more to stop...LOL

[DevilDoc]

I don't know Doc P...I just checked the scores and sooo far I am kicking you're booty! LOL

[hm1park]

Although we'd like to think we're (Corpsmen) are on top of the game compared to our sister services, I think we're more similar than we would think. Walk around and ask every corpsman you run into if they have ever performed sutures, worked in a trauma setting, or even been a sickcall screener. Many have done none of these, rather have been placed in or pursued administrative, technical, or hospital settings that never require use of these skills. Additionally, on the shore side, in hospitals, we are plagued by the acreditation of JCAHO where you will find practitioners less likely to allow advanced procedures done by HM's.

On the other hand, make your way to an operational unit, and the skill level goes significantly up.

I still enjoy picking on our army brothers and sisters, but it's all in good fun. I envy the endless resources they seem to have.

[popsie]

I guess I was in the right time. I got to do all that stuff plus ran the dispensary e.r. and ambulance assigned. Had a blast to. the only thing that sorta sucked was. At that time the Navy was trying to change alot of stuff. like unforms. The dungeree work uniforms were being phased out . A new work uniform being phased in. The cracker jacks were being phazed out. Then mid enlistment term they were changing th rules.

[hm1park]

I hope by me using the word "many" that I didn't imply all or most. Although many haven't, there are also many skilled ones. I have been lucky on this deployment to be in the presence of great men and women who are deligent teachers of our craft. Being one of those myself who found myself in a nonmedical billet for much too long, I'm enjoying spongeing up as much knowledge as I can out here.

I lost aMarineonmondayand a friend injured as well. First time ever to lose one and it's playing over and over in my mind. Tragic, but has given me more drive, more concern, and more dedication to the Marines and Sailors I serve with.

Semper Fi

[Doc_Okerlund]

I was trained at Fort Sam in the spring of 66 and when we arrived we were told that our training was shortened from 12 weeks to 10 weeks, because they needed medics in Vietnam. They said the stuff that was not being taught was some of the hospital training and if we were assigned to a hospital we would get OJT. About a third of our class went to VN as their first assignment. We were not taught suturing at Ft. Sam, but we were drilled on vital signs. The first four weeks was all A&P. We weren't trained to do trach's. Not officially anyhow. One of our instructors thought we should know how, so he taught us. We weren't told what size pieces to pick up for the body bag. We knew we would treat wounded men and see some die. They didn't tell us about losing young women and kids. Lots of stuff was left out of our training, but we learned fast and did our job.

Very strange about medics not being trained as medics.

Despite less than perfect training, I only met two medics that I thought didn't qualify.

[Da-Chief]

Doc Okerlund,

Welcome to Corpsman.com! Spread the word to your fellow Medics that this house is your house as well. We all serve together, share blood, sweat and tears together.

Our community is one that other Rates, or MOS's just don't understand. I want this site to be here to support all Medical/Dental Enlisted.

Once again,

Welcome!

HMC Crone

Da-Chief

[Doc_Pardue]

Hm1park

I really truely understand your loss. The first one is always the most difficult to deal with. I lost my first soldier my third day in country when our ambush patrol was hit. The guy standing next to me pushed me down and in doing so took the round that would have been mine if he had not pushed me. He was hit in the right side. I was so scared, I pissed in my pants, while I was treating him bullets were hitting all around me. I dress his wound and I am so new I don't even know how to call in Dust-off. He got loaded in the back of a duce and a half truck and I held him next to me trying to keep him from being bounced around. He asked me if he was going to die and I told him no, he started telling me about his wife. We finally get back to our base camp and then he is air lifted to the hospital. I went to see him a couple of times. 28 days later he died from liver failure. His death has always bothered me, his is the first name I touch when I go to the Vietnam Wall (Benny Dale Cash).

33years later I finally call his family and talk to them about Dale. For me and them our sharing found closure for all of us.

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I trust that you remember that you did all that you could and it was his time to go. Just know that you were with him and helped him. Ihope that you find peace within your heart. Learn from this expierence to help others.

Doc P