mm3toHM3
08-22-2008, 14:44
Hey docs!
Still working on my conversion package, Nov 1st is getting closer everday! I think I hit a big of a snag though. My Div-CC, my Dept CC and my CCC all have different thoughts and answers for this following problem, and I have yet to find a straight answer, so maybe the Docs from around the fleet might have an idea. So here it goes…
My contract states that I enlisted for 4 years as a MM. For this enlistment, I was guaranteed $4,000. I also did a volunteer 24 month extension on my EAOS, and I received another $5,000 for this.
(Directly from my contract)
-4 Y/O MM “A” School
-24 Month Extension of Enlistment
-$5,000 Enlistment Extension Bonus
-$4,000 Enlistment Bonus
Now, two of my CC’s tell me that I cannot laterally convert to HM due to the fact that I received this Enlistment Bonus and that I have extended my enlistment 24 months. They say that I have to wait another 2 years until my PTS comes up at my hard EAOS, and request a PTS conversion. (MM is grossly overmanned)
Another CC tells me that the Enlistment bonus I received was upfront, and requires no OBLISERV, and that my Extension does not say anything about what “rate” I am in, just in that I extended my EAOS.
So I’m not really sure who is correct, and where at. MILPERSMAN 1440-010 (Change in Rating, Authorization states:
(3) be eligible in all respects for transfer (be within 12 months of projected rotation date (PRD)). Minimum activity tour requirements for type duty are listed in MILPERSMAN 1306‑102 (http://buperscd.technology.navy.mil/bup_updt/508/milpers/1306-102.htm) and 1306-106 (http://buperscd.technology.navy.mil/bup_updt/508/milpers/1306-106.htm). Ensure compliance with Physical Readiness Test (PRT) standards (reference (b)). Those in receipt of permanent change of station (PCS) orders (either hardcopy or verbal from rating detailer) are not eligible.
(4) have served a minimum of 24 months in present rating before being eligible to submit for conversion to another rating.
b. A member on an enlistment or extension of enlistment, for which a Selective Reenlistment Bonus (SRB) was paid, will not normally be considered for a change in rating until within 9 months of end of active obligated service (EAOS).
c. Obligated service (OBLISERV) already incurred in return for any enlistment or reenlistment incentive, training, or other program must be served before conversion to another rating will be authorized. Exceptions will be considered, based on needs in the requested rating and degree of over-manning in present rating.
All my CCs agree part (3) is easily waived. For part (4), as of Nov 1st, 2008 I will have done 24 months, so I am good there. Part b. and part c. are where I am lost in translation. Part b. says stuff about SRBs, and I have not received any SRBs. (this is my first enlistment) and part c. states about OBLISERV. I have completed my normal prescribed OBLISERV for my time in “A” school, and my contract say nothing of mandatory time as an MM. (or does it???) It does say “exceptions” and my CC is trying to contact the ECM about that.
Basically, I am looking for any thoughts or insights. I would have to extend again to become a HM anyway (48 month OBLISERV for returnees). Staying Navy doesn’t bother me, getting to the part of the Navy where I want to be and know I will succeed is the hard part!
Thanks all!
Still working on my conversion package, Nov 1st is getting closer everday! I think I hit a big of a snag though. My Div-CC, my Dept CC and my CCC all have different thoughts and answers for this following problem, and I have yet to find a straight answer, so maybe the Docs from around the fleet might have an idea. So here it goes…
My contract states that I enlisted for 4 years as a MM. For this enlistment, I was guaranteed $4,000. I also did a volunteer 24 month extension on my EAOS, and I received another $5,000 for this.
(Directly from my contract)
-4 Y/O MM “A” School
-24 Month Extension of Enlistment
-$5,000 Enlistment Extension Bonus
-$4,000 Enlistment Bonus
Now, two of my CC’s tell me that I cannot laterally convert to HM due to the fact that I received this Enlistment Bonus and that I have extended my enlistment 24 months. They say that I have to wait another 2 years until my PTS comes up at my hard EAOS, and request a PTS conversion. (MM is grossly overmanned)
Another CC tells me that the Enlistment bonus I received was upfront, and requires no OBLISERV, and that my Extension does not say anything about what “rate” I am in, just in that I extended my EAOS.
So I’m not really sure who is correct, and where at. MILPERSMAN 1440-010 (Change in Rating, Authorization states:
(3) be eligible in all respects for transfer (be within 12 months of projected rotation date (PRD)). Minimum activity tour requirements for type duty are listed in MILPERSMAN 1306‑102 (http://buperscd.technology.navy.mil/bup_updt/508/milpers/1306-102.htm) and 1306-106 (http://buperscd.technology.navy.mil/bup_updt/508/milpers/1306-106.htm). Ensure compliance with Physical Readiness Test (PRT) standards (reference (b)). Those in receipt of permanent change of station (PCS) orders (either hardcopy or verbal from rating detailer) are not eligible.
(4) have served a minimum of 24 months in present rating before being eligible to submit for conversion to another rating.
b. A member on an enlistment or extension of enlistment, for which a Selective Reenlistment Bonus (SRB) was paid, will not normally be considered for a change in rating until within 9 months of end of active obligated service (EAOS).
c. Obligated service (OBLISERV) already incurred in return for any enlistment or reenlistment incentive, training, or other program must be served before conversion to another rating will be authorized. Exceptions will be considered, based on needs in the requested rating and degree of over-manning in present rating.
All my CCs agree part (3) is easily waived. For part (4), as of Nov 1st, 2008 I will have done 24 months, so I am good there. Part b. and part c. are where I am lost in translation. Part b. says stuff about SRBs, and I have not received any SRBs. (this is my first enlistment) and part c. states about OBLISERV. I have completed my normal prescribed OBLISERV for my time in “A” school, and my contract say nothing of mandatory time as an MM. (or does it???) It does say “exceptions” and my CC is trying to contact the ECM about that.
Basically, I am looking for any thoughts or insights. I would have to extend again to become a HM anyway (48 month OBLISERV for returnees). Staying Navy doesn’t bother me, getting to the part of the Navy where I want to be and know I will succeed is the hard part!
Thanks all!