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Da-Chief
01-06-2007, 18:21
NCS program.

Right now as I type this (7Jan 2007) Students who are in the NCS pipeline are going from BootCamp, to "A" School here then to FMSS, and off to the Marines. You will "NOT" I repeat "NOT" be going to a Naval Hospital.

If for some reason you get hurt while in the pipeline and are unable to perform your duties to get to FMSS and then to the Marines, you will be admin Sep'ed.

This is a "RESERVE" Program. Like mentioned before, you have to do 15 months of Active Duty time but your clock does not start until you finish FMSS. So the time through Boot Camp, "A" School and FMSS does not start until after FMSS.

Follow?

Also you are not eligible for "C" Schools even though your recruiter might tell you that you are... They will tell you that FMSS is a "C" school which it is not.

You are not eligible for the GI bill (FULL).

You cannot reenlist into the NCS program, after your 15 months, you can extend up to 24 months (At which time you are then eligible for the GI BILL sign up then if you extend.)

(This is a case by case basis, you need to have shit hot evals to support this, you chain of command needs to endorse this. You have to get on it ASAP!) The Majority of times, they are not letting people extend!!! Remember this is a RESERVE Program and they are counting on you filling a billet. That being said, AD billets are hard to fill in 8404 now. Get your foot in the door, tell themyou want to stay with your unit and deploy etc. Uh-rah Crap. This is the only way they will extend you. You cannot, I repeat cannot get transferred for an extension, you would have to fill your 36 month requirement of Sea Duty.

Do you have your FMF Pin? I hope so as it will be a non-starter unless you do. I can assure you the Marines will not support an extension on someone who did not take the time to get "THIER" Warfare program done.

If you are allowed to extend for "WHATEVER REASON" get your ass to PSD and get signed up for the GI Bill, if you have 1200 dollars available to drop, then do it in one lump sum. I can vouch for this program as my wife just maxed it out to get her Nursing degree. They were paying her 1033 dollars a month to go to school!

IF after you have done your 15 months and the 24 months and you still like the FMF canoe club and want to stay in , you can submit a "Perform to Serve" package to ship over to the full active duty side to get a "C" school on Reenlistment if one that you want is available. You will also be eligible for Bonus’s at this time. You will also be on full active duty, not affiliated with the Reserves.

You have to be proactive on this if you are extended. You have to get your PTS package in to Re-enlist. If approved, this is when you get with the C-School Detailer to geta C-School. I can tell you we have enough Lab Tech's Radiology Tech's etc... You have to have something that will support the fleet, I.e. PMT etc...


Ok, now... if you just want to do 15 months and get out, after which you have to affiliate with a Reserve Drillling unit. And since you are already a hard charging "FMF" warfare certified person, you will most likely be affiliated with a MARINE Reserve unit as their doc. BTW, they deploy all the time to IRAQ as well.

Ohh and did I mention that we are at war, and the Marines Deploy to fight such war all the time??

The reason I say this, every day I do an avail brief here at NHCS and I would say 75% of the people who join say they do it to "GO TO COLLEGE"

My response...

Did you know we were at "WAR?

Nuff said...

Hope this helps you make an educated determination.

HMC (AW) Crone

The-Chief.

I wrote this in Feb last year, and updated what I wrote to reflect what is going on now. I can tell you I have a HM2 on staff here who put up 6 NCS'ers out of 1MARDIV and only 2 were recommended to be extended. Good Luck!

DeeDee
01-07-2007, 18:11
how backed up is the line for FMSS? Are sailors who finish NHCS being sent to permanent duty stations and then cooling their heels waiting for an opening at FMSS to come up before they go?

Da-Chief
01-07-2007, 20:44
Males there isn't much of a wait, He will be cooling his heels either in Camp Lejeune or Camp Pendleton until he gets to school.

Later

HMC

oldavt
01-08-2007, 07:13
NCS continues to be the most frustrating and infuriating misapplication of an enlistment program I've ever seen the Navy screw up. Honestly, the terms of enlistment are and were clearly spelled out in writing. I expect that a class action suit will be initiated someday soon. The inability to extend costs these NCS sailors the chances for full GI bill benefits. When this lawsuit happens, I fully expect the Navy to lose. They lost a similar suit in the late 1970's over re-enlistment bonuses promised to sailors advanced to 3rd class out of A school who had to extend enlistments to make rate.

Don't these people know there's a war going on? :X

Da-Chief
01-08-2007, 07:23
Yeah this is why the ones who are getting extended are the ones serving with the Corps.. If you happy butt is in a hospital you don't have a chance to extend. Unfortunatley some didn't have a chance to go with the Marines. Sucks..

Don't konw what is going to happen.. I am going to post all the data out there on the program in a little bit. If you read the MILPERSMAN, it clearly states you can extend then put in a PTS package to reenlist..

V/R
HMC

Kaymanism
01-08-2007, 13:12
Sorry for the hiatus chief but I am back...and of course with questions...

Something you said in your wording scared me the first time I read it ... and reading it today has me wondering:

You say if you fail FMSS school you will be admin seped...is this for RESERVISTS only or does this include active? If so how does this work for future employment? Admin is neither good nor bad right? Also does all of that training still count towards school credit? What happens to school benefits?

THanks again in advance for the answers.

DeeDee
01-08-2007, 20:56
Thanks Chief - I'm hopin for Pendleton - gives me a reason to go visit my little brother :D

But then Legune is down the road from myfather - so either way I get a road trip out of it ;)

the whole thing about them changin the contracts really sucks & I agree a class action lawsuit is just waiting in the wings on this one. Someone is gonna get really pissed and call a lawyer.