E-2 from PQS book

[DocJimbo]

i guess it always helps to know what kind of test you are taking at RTC

now I am already e-3 but my fellow DEP member is going to be taking the test next tuesday...

he asks is the test oral, written, computer

how do they test you for the PQS standards for you to keep your e-2?

[8404]

Are you talking about 'tests' at RTC or tests administered by the Recruiter for DEP-PQS qualifications?

[DocJimbo]

I am referring to that 1 test you take when you get to RTC to prove your PQS Qualification/keep your E-2 rank.

I am aware that there are more than one test you have to pass, but I was wondering about the one the recruiter tells you about when you get there after he signs off your DEP PQS Module...

I guess your first test at boot camp/IFA/etc...

I googled it and found that it is a 35 question multiple choice and if you miss 3 or more you fail....just wondering if anyone can confirm this or deny this...

[Wild.Irish.Rose]

I have no idea, but good to know. Can't wait to kick butt on this thing. I've only been DEPed in for 2 months, and I know most of this stuff. In another 7 and a day, there's no way anyone's going to be able to top me! :D

[jeepinva]

I have another question about this.

I've got most of the PQS Book memorized and I've completed most of the testing while in DEP, but I've been told to take another week to memorize a few more things {I'm 95% done, woohoo}.

Anyways, once I've completed my DEP booklet requirements with my RIC, I'm guessing I then talk and do a few more things with my Zone Supervisor to make sure I know the stuff. But once I complete my DEP-PQS booklet, what happens? I asked if I would have a DAR pushed through, so that I'm able to get E2 when I graduate Boot and that was a "No", lol. So I then remember when my recruiter says that I still have to take another test at RTC in order to get it.

I'm just confused about how exactly someone makes E2. Will they let me know if I've passed before graduation?

I'm just Really hoping to make E2!

Y'all take care.

[8404]

Jeep;

Your enlistment contract and/or an addendum should be done to reflect you 'are' enlisting in the U.S. Navy as an E-2. If it is not written, then it doesn't exist. Get it in writing, keep a copy of all of your enlistment paperwork.

While in DEP, your Recruiter will sign off on your PQS, certifying you have completed the required modules etc...

Once at Recruit Training Command (RTC) you will given an additional test to check you actually know the stuff and wasn't just signed off on without knowing the contents. It has happened in times past! Fail this test or any part of RTC and you lose the E-2.

Source: Standards Transition Acknowledgment Requirements Training (http://www.corpsman.com/attachments/depper/depguide.pdf) manual (Page 11).

"Complete the DEP Guide to Personal Advancement and pass a written test and physical training baseline at SAT-MED at RTC".

[jeepinva]

So I need to have an addendum put through to reflect I've done the booklet. Is a DAR considered an addendum?


1. Complete entire booklet which would give {at least} 1 referral to my recruiter.
2. Put in an addendum to have my status changed before signing my last contract at MEPS before shipping that day.
3. Report to RTC and sometime while in Boot, I'll do another test to show I've actually retained the information. At which point I'd keep E2.

Thanks 8404. I'm trying to get the rest of this done on Monday when I have to do the PT standards and everything else. It would have been much more difficult to do all of this in a month if you hadn't posted the booklet, thanks. It gave me some time to go through it before I enlisted.

[indy]

You shouldn't need a DAR, just present your book to your Recruiter, and ensure it gets entered into the system at MEPS before you ship out. I believe there's a Page 13 entry made as well, which you should get a copy of.

[jeepinva]

Thank you very much Indy.

And thanks 8404.

The help is MUCH appreciated.

[HM Riverman]

well everyone should study the book even if you have e-2 or e-3. but does everyone have to take the test at rtc?

[jeepinva]

I think everyone will take the test. But I guess they typically only give E2 to those who have had a PG13 filled out and had something written in the computer as a note about completing the DEP-PQS Booklet while at MEPS before shipping, that will carry over to Boot.

But all of the standards need to still be met with PT and if you fail any part of Boot, you lose E2. Oh, and you need to pass the test when you get to RTC of course. :panda:

Correct me if I'm wrong with anything.

[8404]

You're spot on Jeep.

[TristaC]

Okay. This is how I was told. You do your DEP-PQS, right? well, my recruiter told me that at RTC you have to do a PRT in order to retain your status of E-2, E-3, etc. I'm just putting my two cents in. :) tell me if i'm wrong. I don't like to have wrong info.

[8404]

Okay. This is how I was told. You do your DEP-PQS (http://www.corpsman.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/depsuccessaccelerator.pdf), right? well, my recruiter told me that at RTC you have to do a PRT in order to retain your status of E-2, E-3, etc..

Trista:

On page 11 of the Navy's Standards Transition Acknowledgement Requirements Training (http://www.corpsman.com/attachments/depper/depguide.pdf) manual, under the title of, "Advanced Paygrade", sub-title, "Advancement to E-2" it states:

Complete the Dep Guide to Personal Advancement (this is your DEP-PQS (http://www.corpsman.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/depsuccessaccelerator.pdf) booklet) and pass a written test and a physical training baseline at SAT-MED at Recruit Training Command.

Every DEPper or Applicant should have received a copy of this manual and a 72 hour indoctrination with their Recruiter about this manual. Any and all questions should be addressed with your Recruiter. It's always been in the manual.

It is true, failing any or all of these requirements and you lose the E-2, even if it's on your enlistment contract!

Additionally, NAVCRUIT 1133.53 (rev. 2-00) Item # 5, states:

Navy Physical Readiness Program:

I understand I must at all times maintain navy physical readiness standards and that personnel who fail to do so cannot advance in pay grade, reenlist or transfer. I understand that I must maintain a percent body fat value of 22% or less for males or 33% or less for females to be eligible to ship to RTC. (Each DEPper initials this paragraph).

There is also Item # 3

Swim Quals at RTC.

I certify that I know how to swim or will learn to swim. I understand, failure to achieve water survival qualifications will result in assignment to intensive swim remedial training for up to three weeks. Failure of remedial training may result in loss of guaranteed programs.

[TristaC]

okay then! sheesh! just putting in my 2 cents here...

[8404]

You may want to re-read all of your paperwork, booklets and manuals given you.

[oorahcorpsman]

shipmate i did the same thing...it might have changed since then but i did it december

i did the dep booklet requirements and turned it into my recruiter...

when i shipped out on dec. 3 i got this...

e-2 and i would keep my stripes if i passed the test at RTC and it was ridiculously easy so i did keep em

but i had some guys that got e-2 after boot camp...

it all depends on how you do it or how your recruiter does it.

[Da-Chief]

Here's the deal..

You need paperwork filled out prior to leaving to RTC saying your a qualled for E-2 for completion of yada yada yada..

If not paperwork (This happens more times then you can imgaine) you will not get E-2 Period..

So get a copy of "EVERYTHING" prior to leaving, leave it with someone you trust in case you need a copy..

Good Luck!

D/C

[jeepinva]

Thank you Chief.

So I "should" be alright with a page 13 {with a copy} and a note put into the computer at MEPS, correct? It seems like there are a few different methods of how to get the E2 designation, or just how the recruiter goes about filling out the paperwork.

I would love to get E2 in the beginning of Boot camp, otherwise would I get my stripes just at graduation or after getting all of the way through Boot and on my way to "A School"?

I apologize for all the questioning. I don't have much time left, haha.

1 week and 2 days. And it is absolutely possible to complete the PQS booklet in a month, haha.

[8404]

There is only one method the Recruiter must use for completing paperwork after having completed your DEP-PQS.

You will wear your stripes at RTC graduation and not before. You have done all the right things.

[jeepinva]

Thanks 8404. I'm just second guessing myself.

And even for those who are MAYBE looking at joining the Navy. Print out the booklet and just read it. You will learn a lot and have a leg up if you decide to enlist. I've actually been using the booklet I've printed out from this site to do my test, along with flash cards I've made, lol.

[indy]

Jeep, although folks report to boot camp with E-1, E-2 or E-3 on their paperwork, everyone is the same until graduation day. Everyone is addressed as Seaman Recruit, and will get the same treatment by the RDCs and the instructors. Only on graduation day will everyone get to wear their different stripes.

[jeepinva]

I understand. It even feels weird placing HM on my DEP sheets because I'm just not that far yet. But I'm just glad I was able to get the book done in time. My RIC is now faxing the thing around and I've been told that I will fill out paperwork before I go to the hotel stating that I will be enlisting as an E2, yeehaww. All pending the final test of course!

Thanks indy and everybody.

[indy]

Jeep, just wait until you start taking advancement tests and seeing a prospective rank on the cover. it still feels weird.

Congrats on getting your book done, and good luck at RTC.

[jeepinva]

I'm sure. Some things you just can't get used to.

I also had a little hiccup in my paperwork late this past week and I'm going to have to do some running around to get it straight before I ship on tuesday {hopefully}. Apparently all HM's need High School transcripts. It might have been slightly easier to pick them up from my old school if they weren't closed for Spring Break until Tuesday when I ship out. But I'll manage.

The date is closing in quickly for my new haircut.

[8404]

Apparently all HM's need High School transcripts.

This seems, to me, to be unacceptable! In that why wasn't your high school transcripts requested at the very start?

Reason being, you enlisted as a High School graduate, they would have had to verify same at the get go. Something doesn't seem right here!

Your ship date may have to adjusted.

[jeepinva]

I've been told my date may move.

But if it's up to me then I'm going to get my transcripts. Monday is a teacher work day and I may be able to recieve them from my school and if they can't provide them, which they should, then I'll be contacting the county school records office again and I'll pay them a visit and if that doesn't work then I'll be getting in touch with some of the higher ups for the school district. My recruiter also stated he would be able to pick up my transcripts the morning that I ship, but I'm not leaving it up to being that last minute.

8404 it doesn't make sense. They have my diploma, but they've stated I need my transcripts so I'm going to get them.

Y'all have a good Easter. Weather turned out decent.

[8404]

Jeep:

Reason why they require the official transcripts, is that a diploma can be made up or faked. Official transcripts have to come directly from the school/district and sent directly to the receiving institution (in this case the US Navy).

If you are a recent grad, then your school should have the transcripts. If you're not a recent grad, you may have to contact the district directly. At any rate, your High School should be able to help you with an address and phone number.

I agree with you, don't leave it up to the Recruiter to get them. Get the Recruiters FAX number and complete mailing address and go get a copy sent post haste this coming Monday, April 13, 2009.

If it were me, I would be calling the Principle or some other school official at home. Explain the situation and that you need transcripts in a hurry. They may make an exception and do it over the weekend or first thing Monday morning.

What concerns me, is that if your ship date is moved, we hope the MEPs Classifier can 'find' an open billet within your one year DEP time limit.

Make sure you get a copy of your transcrips for your own personal file at home. You should also have every piece of your enlistment paperwork in your own personal file as well. They come in handy when stuff gets lost.

Best of luck to you.

[jeepinva]

Thanks 8404, I'm going to need it.

Hopefully I'll be able to find a good number for my Principal by tomorrow so I can at least reach her {maybe}. I'll see on Monday if that's what I have to do to see what the school can give me. I already sent a message to my old Principal seeing if she might actually read her e-mails over the weekend.

It's going to be very close. I am definitely crossing my fingers and hoping something very good will come of Monday.

[indy]

Jeep, good luck!

Hope everything works out with your paperwork, and that you can ship on time, I know you've been looking forward to it.

[jeepinva]

Yes Sir.

I'm really looking forward to everything. Whether it happens now or I'm forced to wait, then that's okay. I just don't know what's going to happen if I'm unable to keep HM like 8404 said. We'll see tomorrow morning though.

Thanks again.

~Ryan