FMF in Contract?

[nirvana6]

I have been seeing conflicting stories on the site as to whether or not FMF or FMSS is on your contract. My recruiter told me that I would have to volunteer and that it isn't something that is stated in a contract. I've also noted, though, that all the ladies and gentlemen that said it WAS in their contract were all going reserve or NCS.

Any clearing up on this issue would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

[citrus]

Only Reserve for 6 years can get FMSS in the contract. Active you must talk to the couselor at the A School. I went to MEPS about three days ago and Active Duty would not allow me to have FMSS! Hope that helps.

[Navycameron]

Actually that is un true I have FMSS in my contract right now and I'm going active duty. You don't get garunteed being in Division, Air Wing, or MLG with the Marines. You will probably be sent to FMSS anyway becasue pretty much all the males are going their. It is true about thought abut NCS and the reserves you automatically get it put in your contract but as for active you can have it put in.

[citrus]

Cameron how did u get FMSS? They will not put it in mine!

[The_Dirty_Name]

Orginally posted by Da-Chief:

Ok it goes like this in this order..

Step "1" See Recruiter

Step "2" Go to MEPS see if qualified and receive Billet for Boot Camp an Corps School. (IF Reserve you get Guaranteed FMSS). They will not "GARUNTEE" you a Marine Billet!!!

Step "3" Stay out of Trouble while in DEP! Go to your DEP meetings do what is needed to make E2 or E3. Get it in Writing!! This is important you have to have it in your service record at RTC! If not you will not be awarded that RANK!

Step "4" Go to BootCamp RTC Great Lakes, Enjoy the HairCut, get out of Shape, Your in the "NAVY" Who needs to Run or walk, we put everything in "1" building now!

Step "5" Grad BootCamp, Load up on Bus, Go across Street to NHCS (Naval Hospital Corps School).

Step "6" Meet and Greet with HMCS Boner. Tell him you want to be his "SPECIAL FRIEND!" (Do this I promise you, you will get attention, tell him HMC Crone said "HEY"! ) ;-)

Step "7" Do well in school, don't lose your bearing.. On our about after test "8" you will select your orders (Active) to your next duty station. YOU ARE NOT SELECTING FMSS, THAT IS AUTOMATIC!! You are selecting where you are going "AFTER FMSS!" That's right you will know where you are going before you leave NHCS!! There is "NO" negotiation of orders @ FMSS, they are already Hard Copied etc..

My last bit of advice to you all.. Stay in Shape. Don't wuss out. And by god, Please don't find a "CORPS SCHOOL SWEETHEART" and Marry her while in School. Odds of you getting orders together are very slim. We have one guy right now, who is in Japan, his "New" wife is in Washington. He wonders why the Navy won't move them together..

The Phrase.. "The Navy Didn't Issue you your wife in your seabag" takes effect. Your problem, not the Navy's.. Piss poor planning on your part does not change the "WAR" on the Navy's part. In other words think about it..

Good Luck, some of this was meant tongue in cheek, but all of it is relevant to your questions..

Da-Chief..

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Note: Number 7 clearly reads that FMSS is going to happen.

The Navy/Marine Combat Team has been very busy since October 2001.
The Team needs new HM 8404s like no other. FMSS is at a 99% chance of happening for all male recruits by the time we cyle around to it.
I want to say 100% but you never know.
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IMO, dominate FMSS with superior physical abilites and study up on Basic Life Support and understanding the fundamentals of the Marines and how to function in a 12 man squad and 36 man Platoon, be a team player, be motivated; and and the next thing you know you are in the Fleet Marine Force doing one hell of a job. Keep in mind, you still may go blue side even after passing FMSS.

Remember one needs to take a test for the FMF Warfare Specialist Insignia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleet_Marine_Force_Badge

[The_Dirty_Name]

Question.

What about 8427?

I hear the FMF could use some HM 8427 (Only at 50% levels) Scroll down to page 9
:http://www.okinawa.usmc.mil/PDFs/2007/20070302.pdf

Could one get that in their contract?

8427: http://www.sarcforum.com/nec/intro.htm

[Navycameron]

Hey citrus,
I don't know why they won't put it in your contract but I just asked if they could and my recruiter went to MEPS and had it put in. Tell me what your recruiters job was before he became a recruiter. I would say some recruiters have no idea what jobs corpsman can do. Like my recruiter he has know Idea that their are such things as recon corpsman I had to find that out myself. Just ask him if he can talk to the detailer at MEPS to have it put. Like the dirty name said you will probably go to FMSS anyway that is where all males are going.

As for the dirty names question I have researched it a little bit about recon corpsman and what you have to do is just go for the indoc while in FMSS. I remember awhile ago their was some guy named mckay who said the Marines really need recon docs like some number like 100 I don't know if that is true or not. But I don't believe that you can have that put in your contract just tryout for it when when the opportunitie arises like I said which will probably be in FMSS. I don't know about this 100% but this is form what I have researched and read by myself.

[The_Dirty_Name]

As for the dirty names question I have researched it a little bit about recon corpsman and what you have to do is just go for the indoc while in FMSS. I remember awhile ago their was some guy named mckay who said the Marines really need recon docs like some number like 100 I don't know if that is true or not. But I don't believe that you can have that put in your contract just tryout for it when when the opportunitie arises like I said which will probably be in FMSS. I don't know about this 100% but this is form what I have researched and read by myself.

Thanks for the feedback.

Recon Indoctrination Program at FMTB it is.

[Da-Chief]

Here is the skinny..

When you get to NHCS (Naval Hospital Corps School, unless they have changed their name as well!) Tell em you want Dive Motivator. You need to get in shape for Recon. This is a program where they pass you off to FMSS with the Follow on School for Recon Corpsman.

Yes there is a Shortage..so make sure you ask as soon as you hit the deck at NHCS!

I will find out more after tomorrow at Lunch I am meeting with 2 Chief's there for lunch!

Later
HMC

[The_Dirty_Name]

Here is the skinny..

When you get to NHCS (Naval Hospital Corps School, unless they have changed their name as well!) Tell em you want Dive Motivator. You need to get in shape for Recon. This is a program where they pass you off to FMSS with the Follow on School for Recon Corpsman.

Yes there is a Shortage..so make sure you ask as soon as you hit the deck at NHCS!

I will find out more after tomorrow at Lunch I am meeting with 2 Chief's there for lunch!

Later
HMC

Thank you for your time Chief.

[The_Dirty_Name]

Here is the skinny..

When you get to NHCS (Naval Hospital Corps School, unless they have changed their name as well!) Tell em you want Dive Motivator. You need to get in shape for Recon. This is a program where they pass you off to FMSS with the Follow on School for Recon Corpsman.

Yes there is a Shortage..so make sure you ask as soon as you hit the deck at NHCS!

I will find out more after tomorrow at Lunch I am meeting with 2 Chief's there for lunch!

Later
HMC


I am also curious as to what the new rating for the Marine Corp Forces Special Operations Command (MARSOC) Corpsman will be called and the pipeline involved.

I spent some time researching this new outfit and have found they need Hospital Corpsman. However, I never found a NEC for the HM needed.

Does anyone have any info for this?



Thanks for your time.

[HMC-FMF-PJ]

I am also curious as to what the new rating for the Marine Corp Forces Special Operations Command (MARSOC) Corpsman will be called and the pipeline involved.

MARSOC is so new that the NEC is not there yet. The initial Doc's are from the Recon community and they are still using the same pipeline. Go here for info: http://www.sarcforum.com

HM-8427 Fleet Marine Force Reconnaissance Corpsman
HM-8403 Fleet Marine Force Reconnaissance Independent Duty Corpsman

SEAL Doc's can play with MARSOC too

HM-8492 Special Operations Technician
HM-8491 Special Operations Independent Duty Corpsman
SO-5392 Naval Special Warfare Medic

[The_Dirty_Name]

Thanks for the input.

Yeah, MARSOC is really interesting. I need to do more research. I reckon they will have many characteristics of the Army SF with regards to working with civilian populations (psycho/ civil affairs).

I would like to be part of that team/mission.

Thanks again and have a good’n.

[JRSmith91W]

Im suprised that recon corpsman go through the whole 18D medical course. There is alot in the 18D course I didnt think recon corpman wouldnt need. Stuff like the vet stuff and the hospital set-ups. Then again maybe they do. Im not all to familer with them. Ether way the SOMC is the hardest med course you can attend. Only problem is its no longer NREMT-P cirt.

[HMC-FMF-PJ]

Im suprised that recon corpsman go through the whole 18D medical course. There is alot in the 18D course I didnt think recon corpman wouldnt need. Stuff like the vet stuff and the hospital set-ups. Then again maybe they do. Im not all to familer with them. Only problem is its no longer NREMT-P cirt.

The principles of practicing emergency or trauma medicine are pretty much the same across the board. Navy Corpsmen with SEAL, SWCC, Recon, and MARSOC, Army SOF & Ranger Medics (plus some USAF PJ's) all do Phase I of the 18D Special Forces Medic Sergeant Course. The Special Operations Combat Medic (SOCM) is geared toward direct action and trauma as its primary focus and is the component common medical training program. From there, each service adds medical skill sets that enable their medics to meet the mission requirements unique to their specific assignment.(Not everyone does Phase II, but many do).

Since SOCM students train with civilian trauma centers, it was my understanding that the paramedic license was one of the necessities of legalities & liabilities enabling them to practice medicine outside the military (civ Dr, civ Pt, civ courts). USSOCOM recently revised their standard and certification process for standardizing and creating a core "interoperable" SpecOp Doc's. There is the Command Medic Certification Program (CMCP) and the Advanced Tactical Practitioner (ATP) certification, but I thought all graduates could still challenge & test for local state licensing as a paramedic.

Furthermore, NOMI still lists the NREMT-Basic exam and USSOCOM EMT-Paramedic exam as part of the SOCM course. I'm not up on the latest & greatest news of the day, so your comment may be based on more recent info.
http://www.nomi.med.navy.mil/NSOMI/socourses.htm

By the way, in a recent USSOCOM after-action review, a big disparity that was identified was the lack of knowledge each component had of the other component’s level of medical training and equipment. Everyone knew how they were trained and what they could do, but very few knew how the Doc's outside their group were trained, what they could do, or what medical resources they brought to the game.

[HMC-FMF-PJ]

I need to do more research. I reckon they will have many characteristics of the Army SF with regards to working with civilian populations (psycho/ civil affairs).

My understanding of MARSOC is that they are currently focusing more on busting doors, pulling triggers, and dropping bombs, as opposed to the "hearts & minds" mission you speak of.

[The_Dirty_Name]

Roger that.

[JRSmith91W]

The principles of practicing emergency or trauma medicine are pretty much the same across the board. Navy Corpsmen with SEAL, SWCC, Recon, and MARSOC, Army SOF & Ranger Medics (plus some USAF PJ's) all do Phase I of the 18D Special Forces Medic Sergeant Course. The Special Operations Combat Medic (SOCM) is geared toward direct action and trauma as its primary focus and is the component common medical training program. From there, each service adds medical skill sets that enable their medics to meet the mission requirements unique to their specific assignment.(Not everyone does Phase II, but many do).

Since SOCM students train with civilian trauma centers, it was my understanding that the paramedic license was one of the necessities of legalities & liabilities enabling them to practice medicine outside the military (civ Dr, civ Pt, civ courts). USSOCOM recently revised their standard and certification process for standardizing and creating a core "interoperable" SpecOp Doc's. There is the Command Medic Certification Program (CMCP) and the Advanced Tactical Practitioner (ATP) certification, but I thought all graduates could still challenge & test for local state licensing as a paramedic.

Furthermore, NOMI still lists the NREMT-Basic exam and USSOCOM EMT-Paramedic exam as part of the SOCM course. I'm not up on the latest & greatest news of the day, so your comment may be based on more recent info.
http://www.nomi.med.navy.mil/NSOMI/socourses.htm

By the way, in a recent USSOCOM after-action review, a big disparity that was identified was the lack of knowledge each component had of the other component’s level of medical training and equipment. Everyone knew how they were trained and what they could do, but very few knew how the Doc's outside their group were trained, what they could do, or what medical resources they brought to the game.


that sounds all about right. I have a couple of 18D buddies I know from the 18th special Force Groups. They all received there NREMT-P after completing there SFQC. From what they say thought that even if you finish all the phases of SOCM they no longer offer you the chance while there to take the NR. You can still use the quills you have to challenge the local NR board to allow you to take the test. I know in Colorado they will not honor it though as Colorado requires you to hold a AAS degree in Paramedical. I’m not sure about other states. Thing about it though is that AARTS and ACE will give about 90% of the credits needed for the AAS so all you will have to do is take a few classes at your local college to obtain that degree.


I do agree that the services need to centerline there medical programs so that all of the medical personal are all on the same pages. SO, Rangers, SF, or PJ should all have the same type of training. I understand that Army SF medic may need more training in areas such at vet or hospital maintain, but as you said anyone who serves in a medical slot in a Special Ops unit should take the first phase of SOCM. I think Army Medic and Navy Corpsman should have the same type of training for there A school and AIT.

[kmax123]

Am I right in assuming this position is not open to female corpsman? All the cool jobs seem to cut us out.

[JRSmith91W]

what postion...Specials Ops....well SO is not open to females. There are many other HM rating where you could get just a much training. I dont not beleave SOMC is open to females.