Well first, I came to the conclusion this was the route I wanted to pursue through a short long story. My name is Joe, and there are only two things Ive wanted to do my entire life. Playing tailback for the University of Texas, and being in some kind of SOF. Being 5'5'', my football dreams ended when I broke or bruised all my right side ribs my first game of my junior year, damn near collapsed my lung as well. Coach told me I would play D1 anywhere I wanted had I been 6 inches taller. Frustrating. Anyways, that left SOFs.
I went to college for a year after getting a small academic scholarship for engineering and thats where I realized college isnt really the place for me at the moment. I knew most of the sports teams at my school, had friends, did decently, but I just wasnt that happy. I found myself training the gym more than anything. After I watched my childhood friend head off to BUD/S, and a lot of reading and research, I decided I wanted to pursue being a Navy SEAL.
Annnd roadbump, I found out Im color deficient. After visiting a specialist in Houston, I discovered my eyes lack active green receptors I think is the word. However I retain a full field of vision otherwise. This allows me to identify green in the end, but I cant pass the tests. I have no problem picking out colors but I cant pass the tests. Damn near all SOFs have a vivid red/green test which I can pass. In this case, Recon, Force or Battalion. Preferably Force...
Now to tie this into Corpsman. I have a few questions, mainly about the pipeline from contract to BRC. From there, most of the information is readily availible. I have 20/70 vision, perfectly correctable by PRK surgery, but Im wondering when and how I could get that surgery. Now to my understanding, you take a Recon screening and if you pass, after FMSS you head to BRC. Could I pass that screening with imperfect vision and then get into the pipeline with that? Physically, Im capable. I know thats easy to say but frankly I am. I have been active my entire life and only have achieved success through being a work-a-holic. Next question is I obviously need to pass the vivid red/green test at some point in order to be allowed into Force Recon, not sure on Battalion, regardless, I still want to get that test. I have been busting my ass trying to find out where you can take it. Lastly, is there some kind of contract designation that will show you want to pursue SARC as a NEC?
So in summary,
Imperfect but correctable vision. Ok?
Where can I take the red/green test?
Should I look for a specific contract?
Thanks to anyone who can help me.
Lastly, I have seen the thread with I considered mana from heaven as far as informaiton goes but these questions still remained. Thank you.
Last edited by 331Stroker; 08-17-2008 at 01:27.
As far as the PRK surgery... The Navy will offer this to you free of charge once you are in. A lot of it depends on locations as far as how quickly you can have it completed. If you decide to do it on your own before enlisting, there is a 6 month wait period before MEPS will approve you to join. Be careful in regards to Lasik. The Navy does not consider Lasik as safe as PRK and will not allow you to go into Special Forces with Lasik. You vision seems to be fine as long as your vision is correctable to 20/20 with glasses and/or contacts. Did you fail the color perception test at MEPS? If so, there is no appeal process. You will NOT be allowed to re-test. As far as contracts, the force recon Corpsman is not an option available at MEPS. In fact, generally the only way you can even get FMF (FMSS) in your contract is by choosing the NAT (reserve) program. The other options are Seal, SWCC, Diver and EOD. Let me know if I did not answer some of your questions.
First, thank you for the response. It was very helpful.
You can imagine trying to combine Navy and Marines rules for things can be a pain to someone who isnt intimate with either organization like myself. I have neither passed, nor failed anything at MEPS. Through a freak happening, I discovered my color deficiency. Walking through a museum, there was a card on the wall and everyone could see it but me. Then I visited a civilian specialist in Houston, who actually does testing for the Secret Service, FBI, and a few other organizations. Thats where I took the Card, and FALANT test the Navy uses. So nothing on record for that. Regardless, Im not looking for a retest, but a vivid red/green test...
I can tell you now I will fail those again but Ive been reading about this "Vivid Red/Green Test." Like for example, this topic I found in my search. Granted its army, same rules apply because its required for jump school and that is all Recon, Force or Battalion requires (for the color vision).
(Read the answer)
I just didnt want to get into the Navy as a Corpsman, and then not be elidgable(spelling) for a Recon screening because at the moment, I didnt see 20/20 and then get assigned to a regular unit when I wanted to pursue SARC. Not that there is anything wrong with regular units, just..thats not my goal. You can understand my concern. Is there anything I can do? Anything you can add to help me there? I would not get LASIK outright. Im a boxer and displacement of the eye flap isnt something I need.
Also, EOD might be out the question...Color deficiency is kinda frowned upon around there :P.
Lastly, what would your advice to me be considering my situation. To word that better, what would you do if you were me to get me closer to my goals.
Thank you for the response. I really do appreciate the help.
Q: Is there a color-blindness waiver?
A: There is absolutely no waiver for a color deficiency. (Only Navy Diver would waive color deficiency.)
More Information located at the Navy Special Warfare Center Seal/SWCC
I'm not sure which test is administered at MEPs.
Correct...Im not trying to be a SEAL, that ship has sailed (pun?). That said, other navy websites do mention waivers but you can imagine how many have actually been granted.
Originally Posted by 8404
(See letter "f", technically BUMED can grant waivers. Keep in mind many dont allow colorblindness, but allow color deficiency. Based on all Ive read. Sorry if I seem like a know it all little shit.)
Im trying to pursue SARC, aka a Corpsman for Battalion or Force Recon, not included in NSW, but MARSOC. Recon only needs the vivid red/green test. Sorry if I ramble and it was confusing. Thanks for responding.
Last edited by 331Stroker; 08-18-2008 at 20:46.
Lastly, as much as I do want to be a corpsman, I would rather be Recon in the end. I wouldnt mind being a corpsman for a while but I dont want to get "stuck" and not be able to pursue that. SEAL can still be a long shot. The SEAL mentor in Austin retired as a SEAL, joined at 18, went through BUD/S again at 31, has a disgusting amount of pull. Got a guy into BUD/S missing a toe, one who failed the hearing portion etc. I could sign as a HM and then set the ship date a long ways away and try for a SEAL challenge contract. My ASVAB scores and Ill easily get elevated PST scores should count as well...not to mention I would easily pass a vivid test, thus proving I can differenciate, which is what any other SOF needs. Long shot I know, most of you will tell me to forget it, but please just take it into consideration. I could pursue a Recon Contract in the USMC, SARC, or long shot as a SEAL...knowing what you do, give me an honest opinion. Im not a puppy eyed kid who thinks he can change the damn world but at the same time, you never try, you will never know.
There are sailors who go in on a corpsman contract and can do the physical training for SEALs or Recon (Dive Motivator?) while in boot and at corps school.
FMTB used to offer the Recon testing to those enrolled, I don't know if they still do. I am sure one of our members can clarify that so it might be a shot.
Towards the end of your FMTB someone from Recon will come to recruit sailors, this involves the swim, then a MC PFT.
Question- why a recon corpsman? There are still many highly motivated corpsman out there, don't settle just for "recon" if it doesn't happen- oh well! just keep moving.
Exactly, great attitude. Following are some additional links regarding MARSOC.
Originally Posted by 331Stroker
U.S. Marine Corps Forces Special Operations Command
Interested in joining MARSOC?
This is still true.
Originally Posted by tact.medic
Recruiting Team East Coast
Recruiting Team West Coast
Other Points of Contact:
U.S. Marine Corps Forces
Special Operations Command
PSC Box 20117
Camp Lejeune, NC 28542
E -mail: email@example.com
Phone: (910) 450-6499/6500/6501
Command Duty Officer (After Hours)
Phone: (910) 451-7913
Last edited by 8404; 08-19-2008 at 06:14.
I wanted to be a SEAL originally. Then Recon looks like a good alternate option. Corpsman is something that interests me as well and its a good way to tie them both together.
Originally Posted by tact.medic
8404, thanks for the links.
And thanks to yall for mentioning FMTB. Im reading more about the screening now. What Im wondering is can I pass the screening and then get the eye surgery later or am I not allowed to screen because I dont meet that 20/20 requirement?
Last edited by 331Stroker; 08-19-2008 at 13:07.